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civic95vtec 
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Posted: January 17, 2005 at 3:56 AM / IP Logged  

http://www.mbusa.com/brand/models/tech_demos/tech_demo_pop.jsp?source=S600V&accCode=0889 

please click there and watch the short video. Anyone can help me how i can do this Start/Stop button in my 95 civic coupe.

I have the wiring down, but I also would have to turn my wheel lock to electronical, and i also have a cut off switch i would have to incorporate. Currently, I dont have an alarm system. the start/stop button would go inside with the alarm system.

Any suggestions?

Tommy V.
misterjimbo 
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Posted: January 17, 2005 at 8:03 AM / IP Logged  
you do not wish to have to use a key at all correct?  there is no transponder in the 95 civic key, so you do realize that if i wanted to steal your car there is no protection. i push the button and drive off.  maybe you should just do a push button starter? you could put in a remote starter that has a negative start trigger, like an audiovox and tie it to a momentary button, but then you still have to put a key in the ignition before u can drive
civic95vtec 
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i want to have no key at all..Just an alarm system, the cut off switch, and the start/stop button. Just like how describe in the video link, I want to add a transponder, that will detect when the alarm key is in the car. If that is true, you can push the start button and go. I just need some guidance on this task...any suggestions?
Tommy V.
misterjimbo 
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Posted: January 17, 2005 at 9:16 PM / IP Logged  
i hope you are ready to get creative. i am working on a similar project, except it is finger print id. you are going to have to get a proximity sensor and a card or two. you are going to have a fun time with it. does your steering wheel lock when you turn the wheel with out the ign on? are you any good with integrated circuits or microcontrollers? or maybe you could just build a remote start with relays and just dont add any of the shut off features.
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Posted: January 17, 2005 at 9:28 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, first and foremost what type of electronic experience do you have? If the answer is anything less then EE classes then don't.
Second, would you like me to post links to other sites where a ton of peoples hondas are stolen? I have a civic and there is no way I would do anything like this. They are easy enough to steal without doing something that makes it even easier.
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civic95vtec 
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MisterJumbo, I would deffinitely like to chat with you more. A friend told me to try a finger print ID. But I didn't want that glamarous. I do have wiring experience. I install custom Home theater systems for a living. I am also in the process of re-doing the wires for my audio system. Maybe we can help each other with our projects.

Tommy V.
civic95vtec 
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Also, I wouldnt be stupid, and put the wires for the alarm system under the steering wheel. i would put them behind the glovebox. Also, i do have a mechnical wheel lock Mister. I need to convert to electronical, maybe you can help me with that. What kind of car do you have that you are working on?
Tommy V.
misterjimbo 
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i have an 03 civic si. the finger print id idea came up one night drunk at the bar and all these people were talking about how dope thier cars were and thier custom mdf boxes, so i decided that i have never seen finger print id before, so here i am. i havent gotten too far along with the car so much, because that is not the hard part. the hard part is integrating the finger print reader into the door and dash.    we might need aux power to keep the memory of the prox card and for my finger print. i am trying to find a device that has the lowest draw. what good is a finger print reader if the battery is dead. civic95 pm me if you want to swap information.
riyad 
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I have watched the video and have had the pleasure of using a car with a similar system.

it was not a glamorous Mercedes but a Nissan micra - but the system was pretty much the same.

I too would like to make a similar system. Im not willing to compromise on anything - I want all the features - don't let people turn you off with stories of your car being stolen.

Sadly I only know the bear basics of electronics so that's no help. I will have to buy must of the stuff ready made and piece it together. But still will need some help on some things.

Ok the first part is you need a transponder. I have found one that will outclass the Mercedes and Nissan version. With the Nissan version u approached the car - u then pressed a button on the door handle, if u had the transponder in your pocket it would unlock the doors.

http://www.12voltshop.com/proddetail.asp?prodid=RFKE-22&cat=19&path=1,19

This transponder I have found will unlock the doors automatically when you are near the car door - so its hands free! (U can set the distance it will trigger - or u can also have it manual and press a button on the transponder).

If you move away from the car it will lock the doors. No intervention is needed.

Now my car has an immobiliser. I will also have to buy an immobiliser by-pass kit.

When the transponder is in range it will unlock the doors - there must be a wire on the receiver unit that goes +ve when in range and that goes 0v when the transponder is out of range. I will use that to signal my by-pass to mobilise/immobilise my car.

Also when the transponder is in range I will make it activate a relay that will turn the ignition on.

So far - when the transponder is in range I have

1. Open Doors

2. Immobiliser Off

3. Ignition On.

Those are all the ingredients U need to start the car.

But how to start the car (activate car starter motor)?

A crude way would be to have a switch to the starter motor. U would have to hold your finger down till the engine fired up then let go. If you did not hold your finger down long enough the car would not start. If you held your finger down for too long that would not be healthy. If the car was running and U pressed the button that would be worse.

What U need to do is hook up your starter switch to some electronics to give it some brains. So all u have to is press the switch. Your electronics would then determine how long the starter should be on for. If its a cold day the starter will have to be on longer for the engine to start.

If you held your finger on the start button the electronics would not keep the starter motor going.

Also if you added some electronic trickery U can have the same starter button turn the car off.

Unfortunately I dont know any electronics (yet) -

I have a remote car warmer and it has a wire that goes to some tach wire and that works well, it knows when the car is on and stops the starter motor.

Please can someone with some electronics know-how tell us how to build this intelligent starter switch. How do we know when the car has started so it cuts the current to the starter motor. Or is there a ready made kit somewhere (not that thats any fun - it nice to learn some electronics)

As for security I have never been concerned about it. Although I once had my stereo stolen.

The transponder is not in range - so doors are locked and immobiliser is On and ignition is OFF.

They smash the window and get in - still immobiliser is ON ignition is OFF - even with a stupid switch with no electronics behind it all they could do is turn the starter over - big deal.

Granted if they pulled all the panelling off the car located my by-pass kit and sent a 12v current down the right wire they could start the car. - what are the chances?

Mja1962 
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Posted: January 22, 2005 at 11:08 AM / IP Logged  

You probably don't want to count on the transponder to keep the ignition on beyond starting the car.  The ignition will need to be sustained while you are driving, and you don't want that to be at the mercy of a transponder being in proximity.  Also, don't forget that you'll also need a reliable way to turn the car off!

Good luck with the project,

-Michael

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