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Posted: January 30, 2005 at 9:30 PM / IP Logged  

There's about 1200 members who won't get on your case and only an occasional handful that would, but they're not productive members anyway....

The thread is not a question of what amp to buy, but will a cap solve the problem.

The make/model info is needed to figure if the load is too much.  And, yes, it very well might be, even tho the amp is spec'd to be stable at 1 ohm mono.

You've already seen a difference in performance by making a change in the ground.  For the amp (and most amps, BTW) to perform without fault at the extreme limit of their operating range, all things must be perfect.  Even the subs themselves may result in an impedance that pushes the boundary too far.  Because speakers are never at an exact number of ohms impedance....but are actually rated for impedance over a variety of frequencies.  And one woofer will have a slightly different impedance than another one.

When you run the amp at an easier load (2 ohms), it is more forgiving of the little things that aren't perfect in the overall system.

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Posted: January 30, 2005 at 9:59 PM / IP Logged  

Thanks stevdart.

My intention in asking is not to give you crap for your brand choices, that happens on other forums.  My intention was so I could look up the amplifier's specifications and see if you were overloading it by your setup.

Audiobahn rates their amps to a 1-ohm load, but it is not uncommon that they cannot actually handle 1-ohm.  Audiobahn - and many other companies - tend to overstate their ratings.  So as stevdart suggests, changing to a 2 or 4 ohm load is a good test - and better for the amp in any case.   Good for you to have found a potentially badground, that could be part of the problem.  Another possible cause is you may have the input gain on the amp set too high.  How did you set it up?

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Haha...  DYohn I didn't mean to single you out....but even in your last post you were able to throw a jab at Audiobahn.... In my personal experience Audiobahn is a good company,  who stands by their product.  So what if they have chrome components,  a few extra LED's for show,  or some flames.  Take the covers off the amp, and you may find they have the same electrical components that other companies may use.  Besides,  how much would an LED cost when you buy in bulk?  A penny?  And the chrome?   Probably not a considerable amount more than a painted casing, especially when you assemble the product in quantity.  Besides,  when you pick up a JL audio product,  what do you think you're paying for?  A subwoofer with an internal supercomputer,  or an amplifier with fiber-optic wires, solid gold components, and a bulletproof circuitboard???   Although possible, I don't find it likely at all.  If anything,  you're paying 100 dollars to buy the letter "J",  another 100 to buy the letter "L"  and 200 to glue a W7 badge on ( the word AUDIO is thrown in for free).

ANYWAYS.....   I've wired the subs to two ohms before (by unhooking one sub)  and that yielded basically no change at all.  It still shut off. 
I'm wondering,  can an amplifier, in essence, bottle up a charge (by not having a good ground) causing it to shut down, and not the other amplifier?   OR  do the lager beats just rattle the loose ground connection, causing it to shut down,  while the 300 watt amp can handle the bad ground???

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Posted: January 30, 2005 at 10:28 PM / IP Logged  
benchmark your amp by grounding it directly to the battery. if it keeps shutting off it is either something you did(gains or hu volume and you are cooking it or something) or the amp is screwed up and get it warrantied again
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Posted: January 30, 2005 at 10:35 PM / IP Logged  
I'm not productive??? Anyway, if a voltage drop through the system is causing the amp to shut off then there may be something wrong with the alternator. You said that a voltage meter said low voltage, where is this meter measuring from?
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Oh yeah,  the gains is set at maybe 20%  (a little less than 1/2 turn:  the screw cycles just over 2 full turns)
This is the setting where the level is comfortable at 3/4 of the stereo volume.  The BASS BOOST is fully turned off.
Another thing to note,  I have this particular amp's turn on wire powered by a rocker switch with an LED.  Whenever the amp shuts off,  the LED goes VERY dim (the LED is powered and grounded by the two distrobution blocks).
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The voltage meter is built into the Amp.  whenever there is low current,  it reads  "LO"
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Ok if it was an external meter then you would be able to tell. Being that is on the amplifier then it doesn't mean much.
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how many amps is your alt and how many max does the amp take. i doubt the amp "should" be sucking enough power to lower the voltage to its shutoff. especially being audiobahn
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As I said earlier,  200amp alternator.  Wouldn't the LO voltage be a result of the bad ground???
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