Nakamichi, New vs. Old?

kfr01 wrote: My understanding of the primary differences that CAN exist between paper / poly is this: 1) Paper - distort sooner due to the material not being as rigid, but has smoother / not extreme break up modes 2) Poly - harder material doesn't distort as easily when pushed, but has more extreme break up modes DYohn, Haemphyst, Steven, is this broad generalization correct? Have I identified the main issues?

Pretty close. Paper will usually have a lower Fs and lower efficiency (for identical construction and motor techniques) due to it's higher mass as well. At lower power levels (and this also depends on the driver, too) I WAY prefer paper for midbass and midrange. The breakup modes are far better controlled simply due to the flexibility of the cone. If possible, use a paper (or pulp) driver for your midbass, and avoid titanium tweeters, unless you LIKE that ice-pick behind the eyes feeling... It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

Well, i jump in on this post. First off the one you had chosen under "Old components" is far better than the "new one". I have heard and owned both, and by far the first one is better. Tell you the truth, Nak's best component yet is out called the SP-S6500 and that is FANTASTIC. As for head units, reconsider that CD-500. It throws out higher distortion than any of the other Nak Units (<0.1 while others are <0.01). I'd consider the CD-400 or the CD-700ii if you had the cash. Nak 6x9's arent that hot, they are clean but provide 0 to minimal midbass. If you don't want midbass, then these are for you, if you rely on your bass coming from your woofers. When it comes down to woofers, the SPW1200D sub is far better. It is a DVC 6 ohm, while the other is a single 4. The 1200D can hold more power, hit harder, and still maintain beautiful sound quality. I would rig up three of those  badboys so you can get a 1 ohm load and run them off of a PA-8001, or  various other amps. Overall, it sounds like a great SQ system if you do it right. "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

kfr01 wrote: So, what was your conclusion on the breakup issue? Please include a link to where you copied the text from. Also, I think the formula for fh was cut off somehow. You should note that fh doesn't characterize the magnitude of the breakup. What is the low pass cross on the nak xo? 6x9's in an SQ install? I don't think I've ever heard of that. You said you don't listen to rap exclusively. This means you do listen to it primarily, right?

That quote came from the book "High Performance Loudspeakers" What would you recommend instead of the 6x9s? No, I rarely listen to rap, sorry for the confusion.

dwarren wrote: I wonder if your motives for these speakers is to match the rest of system?

Yeah, I was trying to keep it all Nak, but it's obvious that I can't use all Nak and get the Best SQ :(

uthinkuknoaudio wrote: Well, i jump in on this post. First off the one you had chosen under "Old components" is far better than the "new one". I have heard and owned both, and by far the first one is better. Tell you the truth, Nak's best component yet is out called the SP-S6500 and that is FANTASTIC. As for head units, reconsider that CD-500. It throws out higher distortion than any of the other Nak Units (<0.1 while others are <0.01). I'd consider the CD-400 or the CD-700ii if you had the cash. Nak 6x9's arent that hot, they are clean but provide 0 to minimal midbass. If you don't want midbass, then these are for you, if you rely on your bass coming from your woofers. When it comes down to woofers, the SPW1200D sub is far better. It is a DVC 6 ohm, while the other is a single 4. The 1200D can hold more power, hit harder, and still maintain beautiful sound quality. I would rig up three of those badboys so you can get a 1 ohm load and run them off of a PA-8001, or various other amps. Overall, it sounds like a great SQ system if you do it right.

Well, the CD-500 has MP3 capability. I know MP3s are by no means good at SQ, but it's just a nice feature. I think I can do without it to get better SQ. I guess I'll go with the Cd-400 What would you recommend instead of the Nak 6x9s? What amp would you recommend that I use to power the sub(s)? I was thinking of using the Nak PA-8001, but I'm not really liking their amp reputation. I'm thinking that Mcintosh, Memphis, or something else would do better in a SQ install. What Components would you recommend instead of the 6.5 Naks?

Well, for the components alone, I am willing to spend up to $400. THat should be enough to get some great components. As to availability... The sky is the limit. I'll be ordering this stuff online.

Well for components and SQ, the Nakamichi SP-S6500 is perfect. Great SQ, no let me refrase that, FANTASTIC SQ. As for an amp do drive those subs, 2 PA8001 bridged together at 1 ohm is perfect. I don't know what you have heard from them, but they deliver clean and strong power. I'd get comps for front and back instead of 6x9's. Can't hurt, only help. If you decide not to get the PA8001, i recommend the Cadence ZRS-10 or perhaps an G class MMATS amp. Both of those are fantastic, unless you really got cheese and want to upgrade to the ultimate, US Amps. A DE3000 would be perfect :) "I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

No speakers are perfect. Definitely not some car audio nakamichi component set. You really should hear components before you buy. New Project: 2003 Pathfinder

Nak is done.  It's just leftovers now.

Not true not true. It isn't true yet. When i see no new Nak products released next year, i will believe you. As for the comps. they are great. I like them and i think u will too."I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.