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specialblendj 
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Posted: April 13, 2005 at 12:59 PM / IP Logged  

I installed a remote start in a 2004 Honda Accord.  The alarm was a Panther P-10, a basic alarm with Lights, Locks, Starter Kill, Door Trigger, nothing fancy.  The accord has a factory alarm remote in the key, and a transponder which sends a signal to the ignition before the car is started. 

My problem is that now the car won't start.  It cranks, so its not the starter kill.  There is a light in the dash shaped like a key which blinks whenever the key is in.  There is a problem with the transponder in the remote communicating with the vehicle.  I tried completely disconnecting the alarm, leaving the key in the door, and leaving it in the ignition for about 15 minutes each.  I tried leaving the battery disonnected as well.  Honda claims that they must use a handheld computer to reprogram the system, and that there is no other way to fix it.  I have a friend who works at Toyota and does it all the time.  He says it take five minutes tops, and he usually does it for free.  Honda claims it takes an hour and costs $90.00 

Right before I finished the installation, the car started fine.  Then I realized that the parking lights were not working.  The TechSoft printout said that the parking light wire was RED / Black, and was located in a large white plug above the fusebox.  I had connected the parking white wire(+ 12V output) to a RED / Black wire in a green harness directly to the left of the large white one.  I tested this wire, and it tested as constant 12V+ I believe.  After correctly connecting the parking light wire, and ensuring that the incorrect wire I had used was connected properly, I attached the alarm remotes to the keychain and tried to start the car.  The alarm functioned properly, parking lights included, but the car would not start.  Several people double-checked my work and we have now decided to pay Honda to reprogram it. 

My questions are:

Is there anyway to manually reset the transponder system, and avoid paying honda $90.00?  The customer has no other keys to this car. 

What could have caused this problem?  All other vehicle functions seem to work.  Could Misconnecting the parking light wire have caused the problem or fried something?  Remember the car did start and work  properly with the parking light wire misconnected, it wasn't until I connected the parking light output to the correct wire that I experienced problems.  Or could the problem be related to connecting the alarm remotes to the keychain, then arming/disarming the alarm with the key in the ignition?  The owner's manual/person at honda said foreign objects around the ignition could cause signal problems and cause the transponder to malfunction. 

I am trying to determine how avoidable this mistake was and how to prevent it from happening in the future.

Thank your for your replies, sorry for the long post. 

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Posted: April 13, 2005 at 2:21 PM / IP Logged  
If it's jsut an alarm installation then there should be no need for the transpodner to have been tampered with. Did you accidentally cut into the Immobilizer wires ? Disconnect the alarm system from the wiring of the Accord and see if this problem persists.
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bretbowman 
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Posted: April 13, 2005 at 2:54 PM / IP Logged  

Verify your wire colors too.   Not to insult your intelligence, but it almost sounds like what you thought was the parking light wire (connected to contant ground) may have been powering the immobilizer bypass for the remote start.  My understanding is that these units do not require power for the owner to start the car with a key, but maybe the unit that you're using is different. 

Not sure, kind of at a loss myself.  Retrace your steps slowly and carefully to find out at what point the car stopped starting.

I have to agree with VM on this one too... I would definitely do more troubleshooting before paying the dealer to reprogram.  Think of this:  What if after the dealer reprograms, it still wont start and they want to charge you even more to find and fix the real problem, which may just be a couple wires that you crossed and could fix yourself if the time is taken to track 'em down.

I'd just keep the dealer option as an ABSOLUTE LAST resort. 

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specialblendj 
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Posted: April 14, 2005 at 12:06 AM / IP Logged  

Thanks for the Replies

I have completely disconnected all wires from the alarm brain, and this made no difference.  I never cut into any cables, I never messed with any wires other than the correct wires needed for the alarm and the one RED / black wire that I tapped into by mistake. 

I have retraced my steps:

1.  The car started fine, but parking lights didn't work.

2.  I identified the  problem as the alarms + parking light output being connected to the wrong wire.

3.  I reconnected the alarms parking light output wire to the correct wire, confirmed the functionality of the parking lights, and then attached the alarm remotes to the keychain. 

4.  I put the keys in the ignition, disarmed the alarm system, and then attempted to start the car.  The starter cranked, but the engine did not start. 

5.  The dash light shaped like a key continued blinking after all other dash lights turned off. 

I have double-checked all of my wiring, and two other installers have also checked my work.   

specialblendj 
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Posted: April 14, 2005 at 12:24 AM / IP Logged  

I have a couple things to add. 

First I just wanted to clarify that no remote start was installed, so there was no module put in to interface with the factory transponder system.

Second, I believe that the RED / black wire that the (+)parking light output wire was accidentally connected to was the RED / black keysense wire.  The wiring diagram that I found shows this as being a (-) wire, though when tested by myself and another installer, it showed +12V.  Could connecting the + parking light output to a negative wire fry a relay or something leaving it as (+)? 


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