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wrathchild281 
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Posted: June 24, 2005 at 11:18 AM / IP Logged  
um i just recently got 2 6.5 inch memphis multisynce components in the front and memphis mclass 6x9's in the back and there being powered off of a memphis 2004 amp. Comon you guys ppl with 8 12's dont just have 4 really nice speakers. its just not gonna happen. could you guys answer my question on how i should power the new speakers i plan on getting? thanks
Poormanq45 
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Posted: June 24, 2005 at 1:37 PM / IP Logged  
It makes no sense though. Adding four 4in speakers isn't going to do anything. Have you calculated the EXACT position that each of the new speakers needs to be in to prevent ANY cancelation? Phase Difference? Lobing? Sensitivity? Have you thought about tanality differences?
I would advise you look into buying another set of memphis components and make custom kick panels to house the mid range/bass drivers, preferably a close to each other as possible. And possibly make/modify the A-pillar to hold another tweeter. This would sound MUCH better the four different speakers.
BUT if you really want to use 4 4in speakers then I would suggest that you mount ALL of them in the a-pillars directed at the front passengers. This would give you the best sound quality with that setup.
wrathchild281 
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Posted: June 24, 2005 at 8:20 PM / IP Logged  
alrite thanks ya im gonna make a custom panel in like by the armrests in the 2 front doors. i can fit like 2 5 and quarter coaxials in each door. would that sound much better than the 4's? or even one 6.5 in each.
Poormanq45 
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Posted: June 25, 2005 at 8:03 AM / IP Logged  
WEll that would give you a 3/6dB increase which is what I think you're looking for, right?
wrathchild281 
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Posted: June 25, 2005 at 12:04 PM / IP Logged  
alrite all of this is really confusing me. could i power 4 4in speakers and a set of tweeters off of a 50x4 4 channel amp? and how much would each speaker be getting? thanks
Poormanq45 
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Posted: June 25, 2005 at 3:24 PM / IP Logged  
Can the amp handle 2ohms?
If so then you would wire one 4in and one tweeter in parallel to each channel.
Is the amp rated at 50x4 at 2 or 4ohms? If it's at four ohms and the amp can handle 2ohms then each channel would be getting ~100w.
wrathchild281 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:36 AM / IP Logged  
it is rated at 50x4 at 2 ohms. So how much would 6 speakers be getting each if i hooked them all up to that amp? thanks.
wrathchild281 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:39 AM / IP Logged  
whoops sorry its actually making 50x4 at 4 ohms and it says 75x4 at 2 ohms. soo
sedate 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:12 PM / IP Logged  

Whoa look at all these posts and no one is telling wrathchild *why* what he's trying to do is going to sound so bad.

wrathchild, when you start adding speakers in the manner you are talking about, you wind up not adding sound, but in many cases canceling what you have out and muddying up what is left.  I couldn't imagine how your setup would sound but it is sounding so incredibly bizarre that I'm having a little trouble just imagining how you came up with this setup.

Think of dropping two stones in the water.  Ya know how the waves will hit each other and disappate each other? That is kinda what happens when you start adding speakers around a car in the manner you are talking about.  That is why we are telling you it is such a bad idea.  Lotsa buzz-words and heady sound-philosophy here.. but the fundemental idea here is that more really isn't better.

Ya know how if you drop two stones in the water, but you hold them close together, and they make one big splash?  That is why Poormanq45 is telling you, if you are dead set on doing something this goofy, do it with an extra componet set, not 4x4"... if you mount one in a kickpod and the other in the front door, *close* together, you get much less of that cancelation effect... and you'll be closer to your goal of more sound that you'll ever get with your 4x4 plan. 

Not only that, wiring a midbass in parallel with a tweeter b/c thats the only way it'll work, especially given all the other equipment you have, is completely retarded.  I can't even address the ridiculousness of such a proposition without my head almost hurting.

You say "come on guys, ppl with 8 12 don't just have 4 really nice speakers" .. I don't really know how else to tell you this, but usually ppl don't have 8 12's at all.  I really don't know if you'd even be able to design a high end that would be able to keep up with that sort of pressure.  What kinda of vehicle is this behemoth system in?

Poormanq45 is right, if you want to do this the way you want, you need new mains.  A 3-way setup with lotsa cone area.. bridge the entirty of that 50x4 to them and run your 6x9's in the rear.. 6x9's have lotsa cone area anyway, that is ur best choice there.  Add an extra set of tweeters in your A-pillars..  but that'd be about it.

It'd be loud anyway.

"I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
sedate 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:27 PM / IP Logged  

Huh. I got so wrapped up in why that is such a bad plan I never actually answered the question.

I don't really want to.

You'd want to run your tweeters off of one pair of channels, and  the 4" speakers, wired together in parallel, with the other.  That way the same size speakers would be getting the same signal.  That is kinda important.

Of course, getting a signal that would do that properly is kinda another story.  Ya need a signal processor for something like that..

"I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
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