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Jmeese 
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Posted: June 24, 2005 at 9:41 AM / IP Logged  

How much of a difference will switching to componet speakers make vs oem stock speakers.  I know the sound quality will be better but will it be louder?  I would be running them from the hu, kenwood kpc-mp828  22 rms x 4.

I'm looking at some component sets between 50-100 watt rms.  Also I am assuming whatever brand I select cerin vega, boston accustics, kicker they will be head and shoulders above my stock speakers.

Also if I decide to amplify the componet set I would run speaker wire from hu to the amp then to the cross overs from the components then to speakers?  Or does the cross over in the amp replace the crossovers that come with the speakers?

If I do add an amp am I going to have issues with battery alterantor performance? (lights dimming)  I have a 2002 jeep liberty.

Nodestiny 
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basicly, it CAN increase Sound Quality and CAN increase total output.
The reason i say CAN instead of WILL is because of several reasons. First of all, we dont know your stock speakers capabilities. I know in my 04 Neon SXT, the stock speakers were very good and could keep up with most entry level component sets. As for the volume, MOST stock speakers were not ment to take more power than what the stock deck could put out (most cases not even that much). so figure they are only really 25watts RMS. Putting new speakers in and running it off your deck will most likely lead to the ability to turn it up a bit more without distortion problems. But its not always the case.
In any event, if you can afford it, amping your front in WILL increase BOTH SQ and SPL (quality and loudness in other words). It will supply more, cleaner power with options of EQing and Xover. Adding a single amp for the front end speakers will not require an alternator upgrade, nore a battery upgrade. Though i do recommend upgrading at least your battery ground.
What is your budget? There are many other brands of speakers that will easily beat those brands you listed PER DOLLAR. But some people like the brand names, so whatever works for you. Just try to audition each speaker with YOUR OWN material (dont let them put the radio on or put THEIR CD in, make sure you bring in your favorite music CDs with you when you audition ANY speakers)
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Jmeese 
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Posted: June 24, 2005 at 10:11 PM / IP Logged  

I have already spent $260 on the hu.  I was trying to get away with spending around 100-130 max on a component set. I was looking at a boston acustics that was $134, a cerwin vega that was $99 and an infinity that was $124.  I'm not so much  concerned about the name brand but I know of those 3 and I have cerwin vega home speakers that are pretty good.  I have had them about 10 years 2 of which were in college and they took a beating and still sound good.  I have acutally replaced the grill fabric twice on them.

The other option I was thinking about was a amplified sub.  Bazooka tube either 6 1/2 or 8.  I'm also trying to go on the cheap and install the stuff myself, so I have been researching the dash and door removal along with the amplifier install if I go that route.

The sound from the stock speakers is ok.  I really noticed a change when I installed the kenwood Mp828.  I noticed highs I have never heard before.  I get decent bass but its just is not quite loud enough for me.

what other brands of speakers would you recomend for components.  I have 6.5's and I believe 1" tweeters currently.

Also what  brands of amps do you recommend.  I'm not sure what makes an amp good.  I'm assuming if my components are only like 60 watt rms I don't want to go with like a 150 x 4 amp.  I would assume that i would want to be somewhere round 60-75 x 4 rms?  is that correct or does that not matter?

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Posted: June 25, 2005 at 8:15 AM / IP Logged  

Naww if you are using a HU power, a componet set is a waste of money and installation time.

Find some high efficenciy coaxials.. with 22 watts they'd sound better and *louder* than a componet set.

Try Infinity Reference series or the Boston Acoustics coaxial line.. the "NX" series, sound *incredible* as well.  Both are available fairly cheaply.

Bass tubes are really, really gross, they sound horrid, and I don't care how simple a system is bass tubes are just gross.  Try a a smallish amp and a single 12".

Don't amp your cabin speakers right off.... try replacing your front speakers with those Bostons I mentioned above, then add a small amp and an entry level 10 or 12.

If you aren't happy, *then* add an amp to your front stage.

 

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Jmeese 
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Posted: June 25, 2005 at 6:53 PM / IP Logged  

what do I do with the dash tweeters if I relplace the front doors with the boston acustics you mentioned.

I thought by getting the componet set I was killing two birds with one stone?

Jmeese 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 9:53 AM / IP Logged  

Can anyone explain the differences (advantages) of a componet set vs a 2 way speaker.  I am looking at eithe the boston acustics Fs60 component 150 watt rms or the boston acustics Nx67 2 way speaker.  I will be running them off of the hu to start and adding an amp later.

Also can anyone recommend a cheap 4 channel amp?  Not looking for 1000's of watts of output just enought to adequatly power the above mentioned speakers.

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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 10:19 AM / IP Logged  

Components generally are higher quality speakers and include a much better crossover.  There are some coaxials that will compete with components.  I've not heard the two you mention, but based on the specs the S60 looks like the better choice (larger woofer, soft dome tweeter and higher efficiency rating.)  By the way, the speakers are rated at 55 watts RMS which is what you should target.  What's your amp budget?

Boston Acoustics was JUST taken over by D&M Holdings, the Japanese company who also owns Denon, Marantz, and McIntosh.  Another American company bites the dust.  Expect the Boston lineup to change soon.

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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 11:00 AM / IP Logged  
I would buy this cheap USacoustics two channel amp in a heartbeat.  This is a closeout and is priced as such.  Won't last, though, so go rob the piggy bank.   Get two and still save a lot over a four channel amp.
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Jmeese 
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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 12:31 PM / IP Logged  

Ok I think I'm going to go with the component set becuase it replaces all of the speaker in the front cabin of the vehicle.

If I go with two amps is that going to require a battery or alternator upgrade?  I don't want to get that crazy.  Also what features should I look for in an amp?:  I have seen some in the $75 range also but no names that I recognize.

The FS60's that I'm looking at are rms 150 watts.  What wattage should I look for in my amp.  I believe I will be running them at 4 ohm.

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Posted: June 26, 2005 at 2:29 PM / IP Logged  
"FS60" must be last year's model?  They are not on the BA web site, only the "S60."  In any case, how much do you want to spend on an amp?
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