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mo12v

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Posted: September 25, 2005 at 1:08 PM / IP Logged

Did U Reverse the wires?

DOWN:

Driver:

GREEN = Red / Blue Motor Side

GREEN / Black = Red / Blue Switch Side

Passenger:

BLUE = Blue / Orange Motor Side

BLUE / Black = Blue / Orange Switch Side

UP:

Driver:

BROWN = Red / Yellow Motor Side

BROWN / Blue = Red / Yellow Switch Side

Passenger:

WHITE = Blue / Yellow Motor Side

WHITE / Blue = Blue / Yellow Switch Side

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quick99si

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Posted: September 25, 2005 at 1:16 PM / IP Logged

Thanks for your help MO, but the multimeter reads 0.00V for any given pair of wires you listed above, not 12v(+) or 12v(-). Are you saying that the "smart" window module cuts itself off when its connected in a room... with a battery... and probes connected to it.

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quick99si wrote:

Are you saying that the "smart" window module cuts itself off when its connected in a room... with a battery... and probes connected to it.

When did I say that??

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quick99si

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Posted: September 25, 2005 at 2:26 PM / IP Logged

mo12v wrote:

quick99si wrote:

Are you saying that the "smart" window module cuts itself off when its connected in a room... with a battery... and probes connected to it.

When did I say that??

I was just giving a hypothetical... maybe it would work in the car but not when being synthetically tested.

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Some Units detect a LOAD.......

Have you checked Both the UP & DOWN Wires for Voltage, when the Yellow Activation wire is GROUNDED?

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quick99si

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Posted: September 25, 2005 at 3:08 PM / IP Logged

mo12v wrote:

Some Units detect a LOAD.......

Have you checked Both the UP & DOWN Wires for Voltage, when the Yellow Activation wire is GROUNDED?

Yessir, both UP and DOWN, and all combinations thereof (in case the manufacturer's wire colors were off), when the YELLOW wire is grounded, and then again when the YEL/WHT wire is grounded (again, just to make sure). And no potential difference across any wires.

The relay(s) click three times when the module is energized, but like I said, no voltage output anywhere.

It didn't work in the car with one window hooked up with wires checked in both ways (as directed, and reversed).

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Posted: September 27, 2005 at 8:47 AM / IP Logged

Is there a way to select the type of output? Ie. some windows require a ground to raise/lower and some require a 12v+ to raise/lower. It could be that your module is set to ground/neg to raise/lower.

The module your using sounds a bit like one i get from TOAD here in the uk. On it there are small fly leads from the 12V and Ground wires. There is also a small lead which should be plugged into one of these to select polarity.

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Posted: September 27, 2005 at 11:23 AM / IP Logged

This module uses a negative trigger and there is no polarity setting, only 2- and 4-window operation setting. This car's window circuit is a negative at rest type. As long as the motor sees a potential difference of 12v and it isn't at the end of its range of movement, it will open or close the window based on polarity.

It seems very likely that the module is busted. The seller, Scott, was very upfront in giving me a refund for the sale (it was new), and my hat goes off to him.

I will be buying another module in the immediate future. Using what I've learned thanks to this forum, the install should be a piece of cake!

Thanks everyone,

Adi

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Posted: September 27, 2005 at 1:16 PM / IP Logged

after reading back i thought about something.....

Did you use a different battery to power window closure unit as opposed to the one in the vehicle?

If so then that is your problem.

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Evolution-UK wrote:

after reading back i thought about something.....

Did you use a different battery to power window closure unit as opposed to the one in the vehicle?

If so then that is your problem.

Thanks for reading the thread, and to answer your question, yes I did use a diff battery (a spare car battery and a jumpstart battery). Could you please elaborate why this would be a problem? The key was set to ignition on in the vehicle and the extra batteries shown to be working.

The fact remains that when testing with 11.6 and 13.5V batteries individually (connect both pos and neg terminals to module, and use neg terminal to ground the trigger wire), the module did not put out any voltage on the control wires that feed the motor - tested all combinations.

The only voltage besides the red and black wires, was across the cut BLK / WHT wire at 2v if I recall correctly (2 and 4 window setting)

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