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boogacow 
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Posted: September 25, 2005 at 10:48 PM / IP Logged  
Hi guys, this is my first post. I have been lurkig around here soaking up everything I can. I am pretty clear on most of my car audio stuff and have been doing my own installs with varying degress of results for several years. Recently I started another install for my car It started with certain componants and now I am trying to figure out what to do with my upgrades:
My problem is on the bass end so let me just go over my subwoofer/amp setup with you guys and maybe you could tell me what you would recommend.
2 Kicker CVR Dual 4 Ohm Voice Coil, wired currently for a 4 Ohm mono load.
Slot ported box, seperate chambers, tuned to 30 Hz
TWO Pioneer PRS-X720 Amplifiers. Currently only one is hooked up, the other is on its way right now. Here is my issue.
The PRS-X720's put out roughly 750 watts rms on a 4 ohm mono load. So right now each of my subs is getting perhaps 350+ watts rms. I would like to use one amp per sub and perhaps overdrive it a bit for some extra performance. My concerns...
1. I know CVR's are tough, does anyone here have experience running 6-700 watts rms to them? Is it a good idea? The Pioneers are VERY clean amps.
2. I would prefer not to unscrew the subs and rewire them , so would it hurt my sound quality if I ran each one at 2 Ohm mono on its own amp? I would have to adjust the gain accordingly since they just may put out damn near 1400 watts at 2 ohm mono.
3. I can already drain my battery in twenty minutes, and its a decent sized one...between these two amps and the alpine 3555 (50w rms x 4) I have driving my kappas, am I asking too much for one battery and charging system? I already have gold terminals/fuses etc, but am I just sucking too much damn power?
Thanks in advance for anyone who can chip in on any of these questions, I joined this forum because I know the best are here :] If any more clarification is needed about my setup please ask, thanks!
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Posted: September 26, 2005 at 12:00 AM / IP Logged  

You can run a load of no lower than 4 ohms bridged onto one of these two-channel amps.  With the subs being DVC 4 ohm, one sub per amp is not a good matchup as the wiring of the coils will have to be either 2 ohm or 8 ohm.

http://pioneerusa.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4055_34073_tab=B,00.html?compName=PNA_ProductDetailComponent

The dual two-ohm version of those Kicker subs would be ideal to match one-on-one with the amps.  Each could be wired to 4 ohms, the subs have RMS capability of 400 watts, the amps put out 400 watts into 4 ohms bridged (mono).

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
eklipz17 
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Posted: September 26, 2005 at 1:37 AM / IP Logged  

I'm feeding my (2) 4ohm DVC CVR's 787watts RMS and I'm pretty sure they can handle alot more. I'm underpowering them but they sound great.

boogacow 
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The amps are actually better than the specs you found suggest. It's Pioneer thing, they decided to make a cheater amp for whatever reason, you can be sure it is 2 ohm mono stable, and the real output is closer to 750 watts rms @ 4 ohm mono, it's one of the most under-rated amps ever produced. That being said, do you recommend against running them 2 ohm mono?
boogacow 
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Are you giving them that much each or both together? and are you running a sealed box? Thanks!
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Posted: September 26, 2005 at 7:31 AM / IP Logged  

You can run a load of no lower than 4 ohms bridged onto one of these two-channel amps. 

Running 4 ohms bridged requires that the amp be stable at 2 ohms.  Running 2 ohms bridged requires that the amp be stable at 1 ohm.  Stability is per channel.

boogacow wrote:
you can be sure it is 2 ohm mono stable

You should contact a Pioneer tech before you run that amp with a 2 ohm bridged load.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
boogacow 
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Yes, you are correct, most amps only handle 4 ohm mono, and the advice to talk to a Pioneer rep is well taken. I am very familiar with these amps though and have spoken to many people about them, they are capable of 1 ohm stereo, 2 ohm mono. there was even a guy who ran a .7 ohm mono load on one for about ten seconds at high volume, burnt his speakers to a crisp but the amp was unharmed..lol but i'm not that stupid. thanks for being so careful though, that's the whole reason I come here, excellent advice. :]
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Posted: September 26, 2005 at 9:10 AM / IP Logged  
As for the power situation, yes you will definately be overdrawing too much power from your car, you need a high output alternator to be able to properly power those amp. if you don't have a good charging system you may as whell just buy a legacy amp.
2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
boogacow 
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The alternator I have is something like 120-130 amps, it's a big v8, if thats not enough is there a place you guys can recommend to buy another one? it's the ford 4.6 so one of those extra duty HO cop alternators might work too.
sneakycyber 
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heheh find an abandoned cop car en strip it. .. j/k Check with ohio alternator I have never heard anything bad about them yet.
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