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toddshroats 
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Posted: July 09, 2006 at 3:37 PM / IP Logged  

I have installed a Scytek remote starter and a Fortin GM-SL on a 2004 Pontiac Grand Prix. Now all the gages on the dash will go out. They will work when you first start the car but after you start going they will quit. Does anyone have any Ideas? I have check all of my connections, doesn't seem to be any thing loose. The car will be OK then just stop, It seems like there is some sort of interference and the gages will cut in and out.

josh1979 
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Posted: July 09, 2006 at 3:59 PM / IP Logged  

does this only happen when remote started  will it still do it if only used the key? not sure wehe and what you conected the wireing to follow i know to be good chek againt yours and let me know any new info.

12volts red (50A), red (40A)  +  back of fuse box, passenger dash
Starter yellow  +  ign harn or BCM, conn. C1, pin 21
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Second Starter N/A    
Ignition pink  +  ign harn or BCM, conn. C1, pin 22
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
There are two pink wires in the BCM plug that meter as ignition. To verify that the correct wire is being energized for remote start, slide the key in the ignition key cylinder and then activate remote start. If the key in ignition warning chime comes on, then the correct wire is being energized.
Second Ignition N/A    
Third Ignition N/A    
Accessory brown  +  ign harn or BCM, conn. C1, pin 23
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Second Accessory N/A    
Keysense lt. green  -  ign harn or BCM, conn. C1, pin 40
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Power Lock RED / black  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 2
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Power Unlock ORANGE / black  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 11
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Lock Motor gray  5wi BCM, conn. C2, pin 52
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Unlock Motor tan  5wi BCM, conn. C2, pin 46
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Parking Lights+ brown  +  front of fuse box, passenger dash
Parking Lights- BROWN / white  -  BCM, 18 pin plug, pin 8
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Hazards tan  -  BCM, 18 pin plug, pin 16
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Turn Signal(L) use hazards wire    
Turn Signal(R) use hazards wire    
Reverse Light lt. green  +  BCM, conn. C2, pin 42
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Door Trigger see notes  -  BCM, conn. C2
Notes: The driver door trigger is gray/black in pin 26, the front passenger door is BLACK/ white in pin 17, the left rear door is lt. blue/black in pin 7, and the right rear door is lt. GREEN/ black in pin 5. Use all four wires and diode isolate each.
The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Dome Supervision gray/black  +  BCM, conn. C1, pin 43
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Trunk/Hatch Pin RED / black  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 3
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Hood Pin N/A    
Trunk/Hatch Release lt. blue  +  BCM, conn. C2, pin 45
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Power Sliding Door N/A    
Factory Alarm Arm lt. green  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 22
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Factory Alarm Disarm purple  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 24
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Disarm No Unlock see factory alarm disarm    
Tachometer white  ac  ignition control module, pin E
Notes: The ignition control module is on top of the engine towards the passenger side.
Wait to start N/A    
Brake Wire white  +  BCM, conn. C2, pin 30
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Parking Brake ORANGE / black  -  BCM, conn. C2, pin 9
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Horn Trigger brown  -  BCM, 18 pin plug, pin 9
Notes: The BCM (Body Control Module) is below the driver side dash to the left of the steering column.
Memory Seat 1 N/A    
Memory Seat 2 N/A    
Memory Seat 3 N/A    
2004 Pontiac Grand Prix remote start - Last Post -- posted image.
Interface Module:Category:
Immobilizer Bypass
Required:
Yes
Type:
PASS-Key III
Part #: 556UW
Alternate Part1 #: DesignTech 20402
Alternate Part2 #: DesignTech 29402
Notes:

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Posted: July 09, 2006 at 9:58 PM / IP Logged  
Remove the GM-SL and see if this persists.
Jeff
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toddshroats 
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Posted: July 09, 2006 at 10:06 PM / IP Logged  
This problem happens when car is stated with the key.  The remote starter is not on at this point.  I followed the wiring that you showed, except for the locks and the trunk I used the GM-SL for that.   Also I haven't tried unhooking any of the componets yet.
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Posted: July 09, 2006 at 10:21 PM / IP Logged  
If the GM-SL is still active during key take over, it will cause problems with the OEM system. That means that there's some residual ground left in the ground when running wire and can cause the unit to still be sending a signal to the vehicle causing potential problems. The Grand Prix has had this problem before with other installer's, just do a search on the forums for the 2004/2005 GP and see what other's did to remedy this problem.
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toddshroats 
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Posted: July 10, 2006 at 1:19 PM / IP Logged  

I have talk to tech support and they do have record of any problems. I have looked over all the other post on this web site and didn't find same problem. I have noticed that there are a lot of different problems with the 04/05 pontiac grand prix. I asked the dealers service center for help and he said that my power source is interfering with the BCM. What I was wondering where is a good spot to get constant and ignition power? I am using the BCM for ignition as stated in the wiring, but the dealership said I shouldn't do that.

12voltmaster 
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Posted: July 10, 2006 at 2:11 PM / IP Logged  
GM-SL does not bypass transponder on this vehicle. Make sure your blue wire is disconnect and your pink wire hooked up to ignition. You can use the GM-TBU (from crimestopper) for your transponder bypass.
sparkie 
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I have had this same problem on another Grand Prix before. In my case the problem was the ransponder bypass that another installer had used. It was a Class II data bus interface. I had to use a PKU-GM module to fix the problem. The door locks/alarm functions can all be handled by wiring into the correct circuits at the BCM. As for main power, it is recommended to use the thick red battery wires in the harness under the passenger side dash. They go to the fuse box on the end of the dash. Do not use the battery power to the BCM as it isn't rated for the current draw a remote starter demands. If you don't have access to a PKU-GM a universal bypass with an extra key in it will work too. To confirm that the bypass is the problem, unplug it and try the remote starter with a key in the ignition switch, but not turned to the on position.
sparky
customak47 
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I had the same issue when the first 04's came out with bypasskits pkg5, my problem may have been a little different, but let's see....I would remote start, enter vehicle and insert key, hit brake and drive away and guages would go out, low fuel and trac off light in ipc. shut car off, restart with key and everything works. sound right? I believe it is protocol inside gm-sl  not jiving with the g prix, but the new www.bypasskits.com  work just fine. The other issue with those vehicles is if you use a key, you have to use a keysense shut off to the anti theft bypass so the car doesn't see two keys at the same time or you will get a service theft system light in ipc. hope this helps and any other q's let us know... good luck
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toddshroats 
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Posted: July 11, 2006 at 8:38 PM / IP Logged  

Replacing was the only answer?


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