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crazyoldcougar 
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Posted: October 04, 2006 at 7:09 AM / IP Logged  
very nice anarchy...
sometimes you are not able to remove a whole panel like that though because there is only the sides back and bottom made of MDF...
in that case i make a double back panel...i cut the whole centre out of the panel, regardless of the shape of the panel cut the entire centre out of it leaving about 1.5 inches all the way around...(similar to a flush mounted speaker ring)
then you can glue and screw the panel with the huge friggin hole in it to the rest of the box (sides and bottom) stretch your fabric and resina away...
through the acess you have now built you can lay you mat to the inside of the box...once done with the layup...simply glue and screw your other full panel over the back and your good to go...
using a method like this requires a little more math for clearance tolerances, and for volume measurements aswell...weight of the access ring panel is not and issue since you are not putting in a top panel of MDF..rather building the thop and the front from fiberglass and saving the weight there...
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Posted: October 04, 2006 at 8:38 AM / IP Logged  
If you frame up properly and rollout all air bubbles on the fiberglass you should be able to come out with a project in the same smoothness without extra work. It's all about technique and how you use your materials to build.
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realitycheck 
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Posted: October 04, 2006 at 9:29 AM / IP Logged  

Awesome idea guys. Thanks anarchy really cool.     Cougar still a little confused on your idea, but let me see if I got it. Basically you cut a hole then you take a piece of mdf and cover that hole after your done glassing with a piece that is to cover say the whole back piece, if thats the area you cut out? 

jeff i've tried and tried. I just cant get it to come out smoothly. I think i end up putting more glass in some areas then others and stuff like that. I usually dont have any bubbles now, or at least not many. Nothing thats a big problem. I always end up with tons of bumps in the glass though.

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future1 
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Posted: October 08, 2006 at 1:03 AM / IP Logged  

Hey guys something that will make life easier too is this

you do exactly what anarchy said but do this too

make your frame and structure stretch your fleece and fasten it like normal now soak the fleece with your normal resin mix once you have soaked it to the point where you would normally call it done mix one more batch of resin this time mix it 50/50 with bondo add cream hardner and the liquid hardner. Now brush this mix over the wet fleece (do not wait for the orignal resin to dry) let the fleece now dry lay your chop mat on the inside to desired thickness. Now you sand the fleece Guess what it will sand like bondo and will require little or no extra bondo to make perfect.

hope this helps

Fred Sherri
realitycheck 
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Posted: October 09, 2006 at 9:03 AM / IP Logged  
Future ive read about this over and over but ive never actually tried it.  I've so many goods and bads about it.  I guess this method is supposed to be like self leveling though???  
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future1 
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Posted: October 09, 2006 at 11:47 AM / IP Logged  

ya you got it  reality ,it levels the surface so ther isnt so much bondo work to do and cuts down prep time huge.

The only Con to this that i can see is if someone were to use this mix to soak the fleece right through. You have to make sure you have the fleece 100% soaked through with just resin and hardner before applying the 50/50 mix. While applying the 50/50 mix just use enough to cover the whole surface you dont want it to soak completely through the fleece or it will be weaker than the rest. I mix mine about 70% bondo 30% resin this way it stays pretty think and will stay on the surface the best part is it will sand like bondo not rock hard resin.

Fred Sherri
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Posted: October 10, 2006 at 10:25 AM / IP Logged  
This would work well with square or rectangular boxes. I've done it before with great success. If your using a slot port try and plan enough space around it to get your hand in to glass. But what if your building a spare tire well enclosure? How would you do this? would you build a frame around your tire well fiberglass mold then make a seperate top? Then glass the top fom the inside after you've stretched the fleece and glassed it? THANKS FOR YOUR REPLYS!!!!!
realitycheck 
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Posted: October 10, 2006 at 3:31 PM / IP Logged  
My thoughts and I havent completely thought this through, but people make the spare tire well enclosures in two pieces all the time. So I would think you just make the bottom, then make a frame for the top. Fiberglass the inside of the top and then attach the two with fiberglass. Ive seen people make the two separately but ive never seen how. I would it would be hard to attach a square frame to the shape of a spare tire well. Im pretty sure ive seen it though, just dont remember how they did it.
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future1 
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Posted: October 10, 2006 at 6:22 PM / IP Logged  
I make spare tire enclosures in two peices when doing a molded top but when you do a molded top most of the time you will be making a trim panel for cosmetics so it really does not matter if you lay the glass on the out side of the structure.
Fred Sherri
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