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joba356 
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Is it possible to wire auto windows up/down without and alarm. The car has auto locks, can you just wire up the locks to the window motors, so that when you unlock they go down and when you lock the go up, with out a module? 1992 Honda Accord. Thank you
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DRIVER WINDOW UP RED / blue At main window switch   REV POL 
 DRIVER WINDOW DOWN RED / yellow At main window switch   REV POL 
 PASSENGER WINDOW UP Blue/green At main window switch   REV POL 
 PASSENGER WINDOW DOWN Blue / YELLOW At main window switch   REV POL 
 LEFT REAR WINDOW UP GREEN/ YELLOW At main window switch   REV POL 
 LEFT REAR WINDOW DOWN Green At main window switch   REV POL 
 RIGHT REAR WINDOW UP Yellow At main window switch   REV POL 
 RIGHT REAR WINDOW DOWN YELLOW /GREEN At main window switch   REV POL 

You will need some type of module, and a way to trigger it. I don't use factory transmitters for ANYTHING but collecting dust in the drawer, when it comes to controlling any aftermarket gadgets. I would suggent getting "something"

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Have fun with that when you unlock your car in the rain!

You shuld be looking in to something a bit more sophisticated then just triggering off of door lock/unlock pulses.

At a bare minimum get a keyless entry system with AUX outputs.

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KarTuneMan wrote:
DRIVER WINDOW UP RED / blue At main window switch   REV POL 
 DRIVER WINDOW DOWN RED / yellow At main window switch   REV POL 
 PASSENGER WINDOW UP Blue/green At main window switch   REV POL 
 PASSENGER WINDOW DOWN Blue / YELLOW At main window switch   REV POL 
 LEFT REAR WINDOW UP GREEN/ YELLOW At main window switch   REV POL 
 LEFT REAR WINDOW DOWN Green At main window switch   REV POL 
 RIGHT REAR WINDOW UP Yellow At main window switch   REV POL 
 RIGHT REAR WINDOW DOWN YELLOW /GREEN At main window switch   REV POL 

You will need some type of module, and a way to trigger it. I don't use factory transmitters for ANYTHING but collecting dust in the drawer, when it comes to controlling any aftermarket gadgets. I would suggent getting "something"

So i will need a module. Will just get it and make sure everything works perfect. Thanks

KPierson wrote:

Have fun with that when you unlock your car in the rain!

You shuld be looking in to something a bit more sophisticated then just triggering off of door lock/unlock pulses.

At a bare minimum get a keyless entry system with AUX outputs.

Maybe you didn't understand what i want, i don't just want the windows to trigger themselves when i ulock or lock. If you havent seen how this works on a car, you must hold the key in the position desired  for a few seconds: Lock=Up/Unlock=Down, for it to work. It just doesn't go down when you unlock. But i do appreciate your opinion.

joba356 
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Also KarTuneMan by trigerring i want to hold the key in the unlock or lock position for a few as a method of triggering the module, like i stated above. Will this work, or will it not work without an alarm, i am thinking that the trigger for the locks can be use for the same thing when the module is connected. Lets say i connect it to the window motors with a relay or something will it not give it the power it needs when i hold the key, like a switch?
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Trigger it thru a doubble pulse system, and then maybey have it switch through a relay or something so that when you doubble pulse again they go back up......?? Maybe??

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joba356 
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acebandit_21 wrote:

Trigger it thru a doubble pulse system, and then maybey have it switch through a relay or something so that when you doubble pulse again they go back up......?? Maybe??

So you mean getting a Dual Polarity or Double Pulse Generator? This is what im guessing is the module i need, and instead of making the locks lock or unlock on the double pulse make the windows work on the double pulse. Is this what you mean, sounds like it could work, the Double Pulse generator cost 8bucks, Need to look more into this before i attempt to do it, don't want to short or mess anything up. Thanks for the opinion, keep them coming.

Instead of doing it my way, How do the Pros do it? What is the correct way to do with what module etc.? if anyone can explain really appreciate it.

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joba356 wrote:
Also KarTuneMan by trigerring i want to hold the key in the unlock or lock position for a few as a method of triggering the module, like i stated above. Will this work, or will it not work without an alarm, i am thinking that the trigger for the locks can be use for the same thing when the module is connected. Lets say i connect it to the window motors with a relay or something will it not give it the power it needs when i hold the key, like a switch?
The best window module available is the DEI 530T. There is no way to make it wait until it sees a double pulse on the activation input wire before it will roll the windows down. Therefore, with the wiring method you want to use every time you unlock the windows will roll down. Actually they will just vent 2 inches when it receives the short pulse.
Your idea of using a double pulse generator won't work either. You need something that takes 2 inputs pulses (the unlock pulses) and then outputs a timed output (for 10-15 seconds). Then your windows would roll down only when you hit unlock twice. I know of no such device.   Actually a PAC TR-7 can do some crazy things like that. Try downloading a manual from pac-audio.com and see if it could do that.
How would the pros do it, you ask? They would install an aftermarket keyless entry system with the appropriate AUX outputs.
joba356 
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JWorm wrote:
joba356 wrote:
Also KarTuneMan by trigerring i want to hold the key in the unlock or lock position for a few as a method of triggering the module, like i stated above. Will this work, or will it not work without an alarm, i am thinking that the trigger for the locks can be use for the same thing when the module is connected. Lets say i connect it to the window motors with a relay or something will it not give it the power it needs when i hold the key, like a switch?
The best window module available is the DEI 530T. There is no way to make it wait until it sees a double pulse on the activation input wire before it will roll the windows down. Therefore, with the wiring method you want to use every time you unlock the windows will roll down. Actually they will just vent 2 inches when it receives the short pulse.
Your idea of using a double pulse generator won't work either. You need something that takes 2 inputs pulses (the unlock pulses) and then outputs a timed output (for 10-15 seconds). Then your windows would roll down only when you hit unlock twice. I know of no such device.   Actually a PAC TR-7 can do some crazy things like that. Try downloading a manual from pac-audio.com and see if it could do that.
How would the pros do it, you ask? They would install an aftermarket keyless entry system with the appropriate AUX outputs.

I guess what i want is somewhat outof my limits, so i will take your advice and just get the keyless entry system. Also one question, i have seen this sort of Accessories remote, that has for buttons that supposedly you can wire up to power four things, would this work? Im not able to remember the name right now but i do know ive seen it at autozone. Would you recomend this?

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joba356 wrote:

JWorm wrote:
joba356 wrote:
Also KarTuneMan by trigerring i want to hold the key in the unlock or lock position for a few as a method of triggering the module, like i stated above. Will this work, or will it not work without an alarm, i am thinking that the trigger for the locks can be use for the same thing when the module is connected. Lets say i connect it to the window motors with a relay or something will it not give it the power it needs when i hold the key, like a switch?
The best window module available is the DEI 530T. There is no way to make it wait until it sees a double pulse on the activation input wire before it will roll the windows down. Therefore, with the wiring method you want to use every time you unlock the windows will roll down. Actually they will just vent 2 inches when it receives the short pulse.
Your idea of using a double pulse generator won't work either. You need something that takes 2 inputs pulses (the unlock pulses) and then outputs a timed output (for 10-15 seconds). Then your windows would roll down only when you hit unlock twice. I know of no such device.   Actually a PAC TR-7 can do some crazy things like that. Try downloading a manual from pac-audio.com and see if it could do that.
How would the pros do it, you ask? They would install an aftermarket keyless entry system with the appropriate AUX outputs.

I guess what i want is somewhat outof my limits, so i will take your advice and just get the keyless entry system. Also one question, i have seen this sort of Accessories remote, that has for buttons that supposedly you can wire up to power four things, would this work? Im not able to remember the name right now but i do know ive seen it at autozone. Would you recomend this?
Yes, a system with 4 buttons and 4 outputs (along with a 530T for 2 windows) would work great. You could use one output for lock, one for unlock, one for windows up and one for windows down. Ideally, you would want the system to have validity outputs on the AUX channels used for the windows. That means as long as you continue to hold the remote button, the output keeps putting out a signal. That would be needed if you wanted to put the windows all the way down because the 530T takes a short pulse and vents the windows 2 inches, and takes a longer pulse and puts the windows all the way down.
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