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eurobink 
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Posted: September 07, 2007 at 2:06 PM / IP Logged  

I love this place.. better than watching mr.bean...

I have yet to see TTAPS not designed to work outdoors..

Corrosion is deterioration of essential properties in a material due to reactions with its surroundings. In the most common use of the word, this means a loss of an electron of metals reacting with water and oxygen.

If the transmission guy is relying on the expertise found here, he may need to consider a different source.. that installer did not cause his problem, and it is immature of him to form accusations before all evidence is gathered. Further, KarTuneMan's response on scotchlocks is correct.. they are used on OEM items installed by dealers.. These dealers use mechanics to do the work who do not have such experience.. they simply follow instructions...  i work with 7 dealerships in the 12volt add-ons..

Whether the installer taped or not, soldered or not, left exposed or not, does not mean his error caused such destruction.. the most he could have done is caused a fuse to blow, or a check engine light to come on.. THESE ARE FACTS.. I have installed on over 8000 vehicles.. i lost count.. i have been working at dealerships from the age 14, and i have first hand knowledge of CC, BB and AAMCO.. if need be ill show you proof of all.. in a 'new thread', i also have a degree in EET. and have owned 6 shops.. my original experience is with drivetrains... there is noway to cause such damage with that install..

the best this guy can hope for is that CC just cashes him out, and i dont think they will do that without the burden of proof.. and yes.. having clean trans fluid on that car is a bit fishy.

the indoor outdoor use comment is null and void seeing how unless these connectors are exclusively used in controlled climates, it is impossible to keep moisture(humidity) away from them.. therefore there target market would be virtually non-existent....

common sense goes a long way.. i suggest you dust those books and use them...

to respond to Kpierson.. rattle traps are a thing of the past.. connectors now adays lock in, with clips.. even without the clip, they are tight enough to outlast the vehicle...  

my EXPERT advice to this thread is to layoff the installer who im sure replayed the install in his head 100times.. looking for a possible error, despite his best efforts completing a pretty involved install... sounds to me like this guy was soaked with the purchase of the van. 

For those inclined to run this thread.. go to a transmission shop.. and ask them... what do i have to to underneath the dash, to make the transmission fall apart within miles of driving.. then come back here and share your information.  I did just that and the mechanic was dumbfounded with my question.. there isn't anything he could think of.

this was comical.. but i have work to do

swerks 
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Posted: September 07, 2007 at 9:45 PM / IP Logged  
Probally have some comebacks to fix eh?
Steve Sverdahl
Swerksound Auto Electric
Red Deer Alberta
JWorm 
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Posted: September 07, 2007 at 9:58 PM / IP Logged  
eurobink wrote:

For those inclined to run this thread.. go to a transmission shop.. and ask them... what do i have to to underneath the dash, to make the transmission fall apart within miles of driving.. then come back here and share your information.  I did just that and the mechanic was dumbfounded with my question.. there isn't anything he could think of.

How about not hooking up the second ignition wire on GM's from about 1997 to 2005? That will damage a transmission when it doesn't shift out of second. Would the transmission shop guy know that? Not that it applies in this case since the van is a Ford.
eurobink 
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Posted: September 07, 2007 at 10:59 PM / IP Logged  

once again.. stick to the topic.. a vehicle not shifting out of second will not burn up a trans in a few miles.. i used to have a GM and 3rd gear was blown.. i drove it 4 months before i caused more damage.. and in a remote start application, not installing the second ignition would make the remote start not work. All ignitions must be connected.. same with the first accessory-- or the dummy light on dash will stay on.. but still no damage to trans..

i didnt question the guy on his expertise... i'm assuminghe knows transmissions seing how he works on them.. but maybe i shouldnt assume.

i cant believe this thread is 16 pages long.. WOW!

Im hoping for the owner to get resolution and the installer to be cleared of his supposed mistake-- that at this point is still unfounded...   why are you guys pushing so hard to basically prosecute this kid as if he is enemy #1.. he is an installer.. maybe not as experienced, but doesnt mean he is incompetent.

JWorm 
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Posted: September 07, 2007 at 11:58 PM / IP Logged  
eurobink wrote:

once again.. stick to the topic.. a vehicle not shifting out of second will not burn up a trans in a few miles.. i used to have a GM and 3rd gear was blown.. i drove it 4 months before i caused more damage.. and in a remote start application, not installing the second ignition would make the remote start not work. All ignitions must be connected.. same with the first accessory-- or the dummy light on dash will stay on.. but still no damage to trans..

Quote below...from a DEI tech sheet. The truck will start and stay runnin, and yes a check engine light will come on. I am surprised you haven't heard of this warning before with all your experience. I'm just trying to prove that an incorrectly installed remote starter can cause damage to a transmission. I am not saying that is the cause in this case, just that it is possible. Personally, from the info provided I believe the transmission failing in MaBuffalo's van is probably not related to the install.
CHEVROLET, SILVERADO, 2000, Second Ignition
To avoid the check engine light from coming on and possible damage to the automatic transmission, the second ignition in this vehicle MUST be powered when adding a remote start system.
eurobink 
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Posted: September 08, 2007 at 12:12 AM / IP Logged  

yes, gm has some weird designs.. (ie mid 90's grandprix )where improper connection of the ignition wires can make the drivetrain inoperable..

dei quote "To avoid the check engine light from coming on and possible damage to the automatic transmission, " nothing about it running... Gm trucks were a big thing for us in detroit... they didnt run for us when the wire wasnt connected.. maybe it was a fluke... our shop was a four man crew.. in remote start season doing 12 cars in a day was normal.. many trucks.. and being so close to the GM tech center gave us plenty opportunity to install on GM trucks...

if you really want to know all my experiences, start a new thread.. and we can discuss all we want.. assumptions will get you nowhere.

anything is always possible.. i try to stick with probable whenever i can.. maybe i just dont have the experience.. dunno, dont care..

i have yet to see any vehicle lose that function resulting from a 12volt installation.. ive seen crazy stuff... i have even heard of a guy trying to jump his car battery from his house AC receptacle by cutting off the other end of the extension cord, stripping it back, and connecting to the battery, and walking away...

but nothing like we are discussing..  but i am not a man of the world either..

mabuffalo 
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Posted: September 08, 2007 at 12:30 AM / IP Logged  

hawksbball25 wrote:
so i guess nothing happend or if something did it musta just been the trannies time to go cuz im pretty sure litigation doesnt take this long to occur but u are a professer so that might have something to do with with cuz school is back in session

Right on the last two points. Yes, the academic year has started and I’m swamped with my ‘day job.’ And yes, the case was decided late August. I’m sorry to keep everyone in suspense, but because I started this thread I reserve the right to post the first commentary regarding the outcome which I’m certain will start another flurry of comments. And not surprising to those of you who have been reading along, I have a lot to say.

Meanwhile, I’ve been running a special security package with my IE that was blocking the12-Volt; every time I tried to load the page, I got a blank. So much for “Haute Secure” that was highly recommend by “professional computer security experts.” Or was it the firewall included with Time-Warner’s security package that I recently upgraded. No matter, I finally got it working again, and I hope to post this weekend or early next week. Apologies again for keeping you in suspense, but I’m sure that most of you installers which enjoy the outcome and have a lot to say.

Cheers . . .

MABuffalo
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Posted: September 08, 2007 at 12:19 PM / IP Logged  

Come on Mr.Buffalo......you KILLIN us man.......Transmission Destroyed By Python 871xp - Page 16 -- posted image.

Installer_mss 
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Posted: September 08, 2007 at 9:53 PM / IP Logged  
cmon man...let us know
"If a man made it, another can modify it...it just takes some thinking."
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kassdog 
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Posted: September 19, 2007 at 2:14 AM / IP Logged  
Heard from someone within the company that the guy did not win the case and circuit had to pay $38 to fix a wire. I'll try to get some more info but he didn't win from what I heard.
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