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KarTuneMan 
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I have a friend.... own's a used car lot, and a business called Transmission Engineering. (however you spell it) Trans rebuilder of the year 2 years running in the late 90's early 2000's.

He read the ENTIRE thread.  He wishes Mr. Buffalo all the luck in the world..... he said he will need it.

Until then..... we all wait and see!

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kassdog wrote:
Heard from someone within the company that the guy did not win the case and circuit had to pay $38 to fix a wire. I'll try to get some more info but he didn't win from what I heard.

Well thats good to hear. I'm tired of coincidental failures that are blamed on us. The the dealer just blames us with no proof, not even knowing how our systems actually function. Chalk one up for the 12 volt industry!

throwback2332 
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Posted: September 21, 2007 at 5:12 AM / IP Logged  
Ciruit city "professional". JOKE The only people I trust in my car is me and my buddy (15 years car audio and security seller and installer.) Best advice is to take it to a local shop who does car electronic's day in and day out, who know how to install or know who to call to get help.
Not circuit city, best buy, rex's or any franshise.
If it's not custom, then it's not you.
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throwback2332 wrote:
Ciruit city "professional". JOKE The only people I trust in my car is me and my buddy (15 years car audio and security seller and installer.) Best advice is to take it to a local shop who does car electronic's day in and day out, who know how to install or know who to call to get help.
Not circuit city, best buy, rex's or any franshise.

That is a very naieve way of thinking.

Custom shops make mistakes, too. 

Who would you rather work on your car, someone paid per hour, or someone paid per job?

Kevin Pierson
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Posted: September 21, 2007 at 9:25 AM / IP Logged  
KPierson wrote:

throwback2332 wrote:
Ciruit city "professional". JOKE The only people I trust in my car is me and my buddy (15 years car audio and security seller and installer.) Best advice is to take it to a local shop who does car electronic's day in and day out, who know how to install or know who to call to get help.
Not circuit city, best buy, rex's or any franshise.

That is a very naieve way of thinking.

Custom shops make mistakes, too.

Who would you rather work on your car, someone paid per hour, or someone paid per job?

that's stupidest thing I've heard, people paid per the job don't want things coming back so they make sure it's done right.
Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
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extreme1 wrote:
KPierson wrote:

throwback2332 wrote:
Ciruit city "professional". JOKE The only people I trust in my car is me and my buddy (15 years car audio and security seller and installer.) Best advice is to take it to a local shop who does car electronic's day in and day out, who know how to install or know who to call to get help.
Not circuit city, best buy, rex's or any franshise.

That is a very naieve way of thinking.

Custom shops make mistakes, too.

Who would you rather work on your car, someone paid per hour, or someone paid per job?

that's stupidest thing I've heard, people paid per the job don't want things coming back so they make sure it's done right.

I fixed a ton of alarms/remote starts from a 'custom' shop when I was an installer in Toledo, Ohio.  They got paid per job, and installed things just well enough to get the customer out the door.  When the customer complained, they told them they would have to schedule an appointment in 3-4 weeks when they have some open shop time.  That typically let the customer over to our bay, where they usually would pay us to reinstall the entire system.

Also, these remote starts would come with with voltage sense and no hood pin - something that is completely unacceptable from a 'professional' shop.

I'm not saying every shop operates this way, but IF the installer is paid per job there is a better chance he will cut corners to save time. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying take your car to Best Buy or Circuit City, my standpoint is it doesn't matter WHERE you have it installed, it matters WHO installs it.  The big box stores offer some unique features you can't get in a custom shop - like the ability to go to a completely different store to have things repaiRED / fixed/redone if you arn't happy. 

Anyway, like I said, I've seen FIRST HAND what some custom shops can do, so I stand by my statement, and I'm sure others on here will agree with my overall message.

Kevin Pierson
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Posted: September 21, 2007 at 10:20 AM / IP Logged  
KPierson wrote:
extreme1 wrote:
KPierson wrote:

throwback2332 wrote:
Ciruit city "professional". JOKE The only people I trust in my car is me and my buddy (15 years car audio and security seller and installer.) Best advice is to take it to a local shop who does car electronic's day in and day out, who know how to install or know who to call to get help.
Not circuit city, best buy, rex's or any franshise.

That is a very naieve way of thinking.

Custom shops make mistakes, too.

Who would you rather work on your car, someone paid per hour, or someone paid per job?

that's stupidest thing I've heard, people paid per the job don't want things coming back so they make sure it's done right.

I fixed a ton of alarms/remote starts from a 'custom' shop when I was an installer in Toledo, Ohio. They got paid per job, and installed things just well enough to get the customer out the door. When the customer complained, they told them they would have to schedule an appointment in 3-4 weeks when they have some open shop time. That typically let the customer over to our bay, where they usually would pay us to reinstall the entire system.

Also, these remote starts would come with with voltage sense and no hood pin - something that is completely unacceptable from a 'professional' shop.

I'm not saying every shop operates this way, but IF the installer is paid per job there is a better chance he will cut corners to save time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying take your car to Best Buy or Circuit City, my standpoint is it doesn't matter WHERE you have it installed, it matters WHO installs it. The big box stores offer some unique features you can't get in a custom shop - like the ability to go to a completely different store to have things repaiRED / fixed/redone if you arn't happy.

Anyway, like I said, I've seen FIRST HAND what some custom shops can do, so I stand by my statement, and I'm sure others on here will agree with my overall message.

I fix more installs by people paid by the hour than my own. Our company is 100% commission paid both on the sales floor and in the bay. I hold my staff to incredibly high standards (we solder even our deck harness'). We are good at our job and yes, we are fast but there isn't a corner cut ever. even on starters all have hood pins, tach hook up and parklight (I see other shops "forget" this step).
Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta
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extreme1 wrote:
I fix more installs by people paid by the hour than my own. Our company is 100% commission paid both on the sales floor and in the bay. I hold my staff to incredibly high standards (we solder even our deck harness'). We are good at our job and yes, we are fast but there isn't a corner cut ever. even on starters all have hood pins, tach hook up and parklight (I see other shops "forget" this step).

I never said ALL shops cut corners, but a good % do.  A lot of installers are only interested in making money and they could care less about going 'the extra mile' to help a customer out because they won't benefit from it.

It is good to hear you recognize how important quality work is and that you hold your employees to such high standards, again not all shops do that.

However, answer my question honestly - if you had to take your car to a mechanic would you rather that mechanic get paid per hour or by the cars he turns out in a day?  What about your house, would you rather have a plumber that charges per visit or per hour?  Paying people per hour definately has it's beneifits - like knowing they'll be there until the job is done!

Please don't get me wrong, I know that there are hourly installers with poor work ethics, but that is why it is important for the customer to know WHO is working on their car.  The WHO is way more important the the hourly or commission.

Kevin Pierson
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eurobink wrote:

As far as the heat transfer response, i suggest you go to the library and pickup a book on ohms law and kirchoffs voltage divider law.. then come back here and leave your words of infinite wisdom.

If you're still around, I'd like some clarification on this.. I don't see where either law has a variable for temp.. pretend I don't know anything.. use small words.

thanks..

Jim

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Mad Scientists wrote:
eurobink wrote:

As far as the heat transfer response, i suggest you go to the library and pickup a book on ohms law and kirchoffs voltage divider law.. then come back here and leave your words of infinite wisdom.

If you're still around, I'd like some clarification on this.. I don't see where either law has a variable for temp.. pretend I don't know anything.. use small words.

thanks..

Jim

He lost me on this one, too.  The only thing I can think of is when you heat a wire the resistance changes.  By changing the resistence you can theoretically created a voltage divider.  I fail to see how this could ever effect a car though.

I would be more willing to believe that the 'tip to ground' voltage on a soldering iron would be more likely to trigger things in a car then simply heating wires.

I would be more willing to guess that he is just throwing out terms and has no idea of real world applications. 

Kevin Pierson
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