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ntl1991 
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Posted: October 23, 2007 at 6:10 PM / IP Logged  
Hello, I am having problems rewiring in my Viper 550HF Remote Start system. The truck, a 1992 S-10 Blazer (2 Door) had the system in it until I removed it last year because of problems (truck would start with the remote, but then immediately die and plus, in the middle of the night, the alarm would randomly go off, so I had enough) and now since I am using the truck again I want to get everything back together. All the wires and relays are in place so I just wired it back together using the back of the unit (color codes and wire diagram) and I thought everything was fine. Except:
-When I close the door, the system looses power. The system is getting battery power (Red Wire) but I noticed that if I have the Dome Light Supervision (Black w/ White) disconnected, the unit doesn't get any power. It only turns on (and immediately sounds the alarm) when I have the door open. Also, with the door shut (or the door trigger pushed in), the remote doesn't work and the LED light turns off.
-When I push buttons 1 and 2, the remote start sequence doesn't initiate. The truck doesn't even flash the lights or anything. It's as if it wasn't even a remote start system... But it is and it was (at least) giving power to the starter...
-I did notice that the hood trigger was rusted off and the button was stuck down, so I just removed it and the black wire is still in the engine bay. Would this stop the engine from starting? And if so, is there any way I can trick it into thinking the hood is shut without any trigger at all?
I checked the fuses and all are fine and I did notice that when I was splicing the 5-pin remote start harness, when I touched the red (12v constant) to the purple ("starter relay turn-on"), the starter would engage, but the engine wouldn't start...
If any one could help me out here, I would really appreciate it.
Thanks,
Nick
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Posted: October 24, 2007 at 7:41 AM / IP Logged  
Where and how did you ground the system?
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ntl1991 
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Posted: October 24, 2007 at 1:59 PM / IP Logged  
I'm not sure where it's grounded to, because I just connected the wires under the dash. Would that be the cause of the problems?
Thanks,
Nick
ntl1991 
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Posted: October 24, 2007 at 2:14 PM / IP Logged  
Oh OK, I rigged it up to my power supply that gives 12 volts and I see what it's doing... Somewhere along the line, the wire to goes to the ground is not connected. So it's trying to pull ground from the dome light wires and when the light turns off, the ground is lost and power is cut... Cool.
Now what about the other issues? Can I substitute something for the hood pin switch?
Thanks,
Nick
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Posted: October 24, 2007 at 2:40 PM / IP Logged  
Grounding the unit properly everything but the pins witch should work fine trusting no other connection was missed.
Get a new pin switch. They are extremely cheap and any install shop will have them. I only do this as a hobby and probably have better than 100 of them laying around. The pin switch is a safety feature but with it cut like you have it the remote start will still work. Just be sure to replace it as soon as it is convenient for you.
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ntl1991 
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Posted: October 25, 2007 at 1:50 PM / IP Logged  
Thank You, I bought one on eBay that came to 4 dollars with shipping so it's not that bad... Are they all the same? I heard that the one I need gives a ground signal when the hood is open, but I don't know what it does if it's closed... Anyway, I'll be getting that in tomorrow or Monday.
If this is the problem, would it not even attempt to start? Would any lights blink on the LED or taillights? When I hit the 2 buttons to start nothing happens, like if I had hit the channel 2 button (not connected to anything) the LED just goes off until I let go of the buttons...
Thanks Again,
Nick
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Posted: October 26, 2007 at 9:41 AM / IP Logged  

$4 bucks for a pin switch??  OUCH! I would've sent you 5 or 6 of them for free. I have at least 200 of them laying around here myself. Many vehicles already have an existing hood switch, so the extras start to pile up quick.

Don't worry about the hood switch for now, just make sure you tape off the end  of the wire until you get the rest sorted out first. Don't forget to use a digital meter to find the best ground point on the truck. Without a GOOD ground, your system will go haywire. 

PS.....I have a '94 2-dr with a 550ESP. I know that sucker inside out.viper 550hf problems -- posted image.

ntl1991 
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Posted: October 28, 2007 at 2:24 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks Wiretapper.
I just don't know about this remote start. It doesn't even want to anymore. The keyless entry/alarm works fine, but the remote start doesn't. I don't know why it isn't and if it's the hood switch (but it's not getting a ground, so it should work). All the proper relays are hooked up to the wires on the steering column...
I just don't know.
Nick
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Posted: October 29, 2007 at 9:10 AM / IP Logged  
If you attempted to remote start the system without a proper ground it is possible that you destroyed internal components in the brain. Does it do anything when you try to initiate the start sequence? Does it flash the lights, does it energize any of the ignition/accessory/starter circuits?
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ntl1991 
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Posted: October 29, 2007 at 3:24 PM / IP Logged  
Nope, nothing is energized when I initiate the start sequence. The lights don't flash, the LED goes from blinking to off until I release the buttons on the remote. The alarm and keyless entry functions of the system work flawlessly.
I know the wires are connected to the proper wires in the steering column for ignition/accessory/starter but the brain just doesn't send out the signal to start it I guess.
So that would mean that the is some kind or variable that would cause it to not start or their are problems with the relays under the dash or the unit itself (which, again, I think is fine because of the fact that the other functions work perfectly.)
I have 4 relays in the truck connected to the keyless entry system. 3 relays are attached together with wires going to the steering column and the 5-wire cable that goes to the keyless entry brain (all the wires look like they are connected to the relays fine). One other relay has the unlock/lock wires coming out of it to the brain.
Nick
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