i want more bass, 8 12 la cheapo box

He is right....sort of.

I had a 99 civic with one 12" Memphis mojo and two 1100d's on it in a 4.5 cu.ft box tuned to 50 hz. It was loud..ish. It hit 149.8 legal on the TL meter. total cost? $1600+ materials, wire, etc....woofer lasted about 1 day!

Now I have a HHR Panel with 12 JBL GT4 12" woofers. Each are in thier own 1.0 cu.ft sealed enclosures. I have two Soundstream 1600.2 Van Goghs bridged at 6ohms ea. The HHR has hit a 164.1 at 32 hz with the same TL mic. Woofers are totally in the comfort zone as far as power and have been getting smacked hard for three weeks ( I bought the car a month ago) and not a single fault yet. The subs play very linear and very strong from about 15hz-100hz. The system cost so far? $1450 and haven't added batteries or even wired the thing right yet. (using a single 4ga from the rear factory battery to one amp and daisychained to the second amp...total about 3 ft run)

SO.....more woofers and power is definately going to play louder/lower with less overall stress from the gear.

I bet it is the old TL meter, that MIGHT be conceivable.

Here is a much better example. at 1 time I had 7 Powerbass ES12DS's in a wall in my CRX, each with aa Intefire IFD1000C (each amp with a Stinger SP 1700 on it). I managed to tweak & tweak, & fuss & pulled a 148.5 on Mike Jaffe's TL. Then, at the VERY NEXT show, I pulled out all the subs & box, took my best guess at a big slot ported box for 2 MTX 9500 15's, with only 4 Interfire IFD1000C's, I got a 148.4...I think (I know I was hoping for more). After Closing off the wall, & swapping for more SPL freindly subs (Powerbass XS15D1's) I hit 155.8 at 04 USACi WF (mod 901-1800)....& can street beat it at 153's. Not the best #'s in the world, but you get the picture, & I consider what I was runnign to be on the cheap end of stuff, not flea market crap, but not Zapco or Kicker either

Also, if you need more info, take a look at passed WF results (DB Drag is good for this one) & look at scores in the 1-2 sub classes, Vs. the 5+ classes (& remember those folks are the best in the world....well with the money to play)

alright what is a good sub for the money, i would like two subs at least. i was going for power in numbers with the cheapo's lol, i know i can get more from two good subs but i wanted it for the looks. plus i wouldnt doubt i could sell the subs for a profit to kids at school. my cadence are more of a sq sub and was dissapointed with the reviews i had heard, they are not that loud just sound good.

i used to be the loudest in school then my subs broke then i got the cadence. now a friend of mine has 2 tc-1000 in a box i built and he is spanking me without pushing them that hard. i have to push my cadence like crazy to keep up with him, im afraid my subs will break again.