viper 5301 with 18 pin con 04 grand am

I have an 04 grand am that i'm attempting to put a viper 5301 remote start in with an xpresskit dball 2.0 The 5301 I have has and 18 pin wiring harness the install manual that I can find are for units that have separate harnesses. My issue is I have 2 pink ign wires and 2 orange wires on the ignition harness. Wondering if anyone has a pictorial of a grand am install. What I have wired so far is Remote Start, (H3) 8-pin connector H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT to pink ign (there is 2 pink wires) H3/2 RED / WHITE +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY INPUT (not sure where I should hook this) H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT to orange (there is 2 orange wires) H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT to yellow H3/5 RED +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT to 12 V constant red H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT to green ign 2 H3/7 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87a (IF REQUIRED) OF FLEX RELAY H3/8 RED / BLACK +12V FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT to 12V constant Red Also i'm told I need to install a relay but not sure what the relay is for and how it should be hook up I have a 775 relay with red black brown orange and yellow wires. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I know the xpress kit control many functions but what other wires do I need to hook up form the RS module. And the bypass unit?

Remote Start, (H3) 8-pin connector

H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT to pink ign (there is 2 pink wires) H3/2 RED / WHITE +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY INPUT    to 12V constant Red

H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT to orange (there is 2 orange wires) H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT to yellow H3/5 RED +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT to 12 V constant red H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT to green ign 2 H3/7 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87a (IF REQUIRED) OF FLEX RELAY  not used

H3/8 RED / BLACK +12V FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT to 12V constant Red

From some old notes on a 2003 Grand Am ( 2003 thru 2006 are the same ), I believe if you look at the main

ignition switch connector, you will see that the two Pink's go to the same pin.  The two Orange's are alsocommon at one connector pin.  Depending on the model, you might find a Brown wire in the ignition harnessthat tests as an Accessory.  The extra relay could be used for this wire if you need to power it.

The hardest part of that install is pulling the bezel & radio and getting at the ignition wires to make your connections...  

Soldering is fun!

While I have pulled my fair share of grand am radios, I have also accessed the ignition wires through the gauge cluster cavity. Just another angle to look at things. Advanced

"The hardest part of that install is pulling the bezel & radio and getting at the ignition wires to make your connections" .... No doubt about that, quite the small hole to work out of with big hands! Bare with me I have only done one other install and it was a basic system on a vehicle that had no power accessories Thank you for the quick reply. So all the fused 12v got to the constant red that seems redundant! I assumed that the pinks and oranges were the same. But I wasn't able to get to the ignition connector. I'm not sure what I would need the relay for unless it has something to do with door locks? I believe this model uses a one wire lock system? I thought the xpresskit took care of that though? Other then power and grounds and the parking lights, what wires will I actually need to hook up, and where should I hook them up? Xpresskit wire to obd2 purple. 4 pin serial to remote start module. Main Harness (H1), 12 pin connector H1/1 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA AUX/TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT H1/2 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT H1/3 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay H1/5 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND H1/6 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT H1/7 BLUE* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use jumper to set polarity) H1/8 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C** OR N/O) H1/9 BLACK/ WHITE (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT H1/11 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT H1/12 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED OUTPUT H2 Harness, 18-pin connector H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT H2/2 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT H2/3 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT H2/4 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT H2/5 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT H2/6 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT H2/7 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT H2/8 N/A H2/9 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT H2/10 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT H2/11 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT H2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT H2/13 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT H2/14 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT H2/15 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) H2/16 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT H2/17 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT H2/18 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT Thank you

The radio came out fine, with the 4"x4" area you have to get to the wires that's is the hard part!

Actually, you should find two Red wires in the ignition harness that test as +12V constant.  Just split

the R/S's load between them ( 4 or 5 wires ).

The door locks should be handled by the Viper to the DB-ALL2 via the D2D harness and from the DB-ALL2

to the car via the J1850 OBD2 connection.  But the DB-ALL2 install guide has this note :In some vehicles, DBALL-GM2 may not control the doorlocks via data. Once programmed, test the door lock inputs to

determine whether DBALL-GM2 will activate these functions via data. If there is no activation, the door lock system will

need to be controlled in analog via the remote starter.

If you are using the DB-ALL2 flashed with the 402.GM2 v1.06 firmware & connected to the 5301 via D2D, there

will be many unused wires.

Main Harness (H1), 12 pin connector

H1/1 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA AUX/TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D H1/2 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT             Red @ ignition switch harnessH1/3 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT Black @ Steering column or BCM Gray plug, Pin A4H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE         not usedH1/5 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND        chassis groundH1/6 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT            not usedH1/7 BLUE* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use jumper to set polarity)       not usedH1/8 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C** OR N/O)          not usedH1/9 BLACK/ WHITE (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION                not usedH1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER           not usedH1/11 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT       ***set for (+)          BROWN (+)  @ BCM, LIGHT GRAY Plug, Pin B8, H1/12 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED OUTPUT          not used

H2 Harness, 18-pin connector

H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM not usedH2/2 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT        not usedH2/3 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT   not usedH2/4 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT            not usedH2/5 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT   not usedH2/6 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT not usedH2/7 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT            not usedH2/8 N/A H2/9 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT      handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D         H2/10 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT           not used -  handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D   H2/11 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT       not usedH2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT       to external relay, Pin 85  - see wiring belowH2/13 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT not usedH2/14 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT      not usedH2/15 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O)           to Viper kit supplied hood pinH2/16 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOG not used H2/17 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT   WHITE (+)  @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL  H2/18 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT      to chassis ground  ( if auto trans )

Extra 30/40 Amp SPDT relay with 20 Amp fuse for Brown ACC2 wire :

Relay Pin 85 to H2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUTRelay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant through 20 Amp fuse ( one of the Red wires, again )Relay Pin 30 to Brown @ ignition switch harnessRelay Pin 87a not usedThe Brown ACC2 wire may not be necessary for a simple R/S install if the Heat and A/C function OK without it.

Soldering is fun!

Thanks A lot. I'm going to go dig back into it. You have been a great help! I will let you know the out come.

Okay the remote starter is working and starting vehicle as it should. But the door locks are not working, the horn and lights pulse when you hit lock and unlock, but the locks do not function. Horn honks when panic is tripped, any ideas? should I wire from dball to remote start unit for luck and unlock inputs and out puts Thanks

Well, if the Tach Learn went OK and the Viper can pop the trunk open, then you have one of the vehicles that the note

( included above ) applies to.  The only work around is to hardwire this feature directly from the Viper to the vehicle as shown in this diagram : http://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/14052_GRAND-AM_GRAND%20AM%201%20WIRE%20JBS%20UNITS.pdf

If you don't already have the relays and resistor, you could purchase a Directed 451M Door Lock module that is the same

thing, in a neat package.  The resistor is included with the module.  Street price is > $9.  The 451M install guide is in theDownloads section.

Soldering is fun!

At the same time I seen your post I was looking at the diagram for the 451M which I have one.   I'll have to put that in tomorrow. I put a 1500 Ohm resistor on the unlock output, both wires just go to WHITE (1-Wire System) See NOTE #2 @ BCM, LIGHT GRAY Plug, Pin A2, See NOTE #1 I don't need to cut the wire correct? Kreg, Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it!