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dannylee312

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Hi all,

I'm new to this whole electronic's scene, and I've done soooooo many, and vast searches on the net (and on these forums), but no one seems to know what I am talking about. I have a 94 Honda Prelude, and I just installed the power folding mirrors to it, but there's one big problem...I have no realy box. So, I've been searching left and right, asking 20+ or more people from alarm guys to electricians(I know, I know, they must all be idiots). But my simple question is how do is just switch the polarity of the switch when i hold it down, I want the mirrors to fold in, and when I hold down the switch again, I would like them to fold out. And I know that this action can be down with BOSCH 30 amp automovive relays. I have been told to use a "flip-flop" relay diagram for reversing polarity, but I don't know what goes where. I feel like such an idiot.

Here's the run down on the switch and wiring: Each mirror has just 2 wires coming from it, and the switch just has 1 wire coming from it, which only has +12v when the switch is depressed, and only when the car is running or on ACC. When I ground one of the wires and then connect the other wire with the switch wire they would FOLD IN, and then when I switch one of the mirror wires with the ground and the switch wire, they FOLD OUT. Any help if you can.....At this point I am like begging, Thanks a million to everyone in advance!!

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Posted: May 25, 2004 at 5:46 PM / IP Logged

You need a flip flop relay configuration. I'm not by my computer at the shop with my notes, but I'll try to get it to you later this week unless someone else has this information for him ?

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Posted: May 25, 2004 at 5:48 PM / IP Logged

Thanks a lot Jeff...I've been yanking out all of my hair.....now I got to get some ROGAIN!!!

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Posted: May 25, 2004 at 7:14 PM / IP Logged

Hey could one of you guys let me know how you make that flip flop relay or where I could buy one? I need to wire up JDM mirrors also.

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Posted: May 25, 2004 at 10:40 PM / IP Logged

Here you guys go. This was my first attepmt at this a couple of years ago : https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=2259&KW=flip+flop

Here is the relay for the single wire trigger : http://www.goodmancomponents.com/products/s706_707.htm

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Hey Jeff, on the first link it says "Sorry, only members with sufficient permission can access this page.".

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The inforamtion was on the Moderator forum so that's why you can't access it, sorry. I'll cut and paste what I can peice by peice as this thread was rather large.

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Hi Jeff, I saw this post by someone else a bit ago....Use a latching relay and two SPDT relays to obtain two different outputs from the same signal for as long as you hold down the button (output). You can purchase latching relays from most electronic shops and possibly Radio Shack. We have a place down here called Pelican Electronics that I used to get mine from. You'll run the output from your RKE or alarm to one side of the coil of the latching relay and to the common. The 2 outputs from the latching relay will go to each coil respectively of the 2 SPDT relays.

I see that we've been getting a lot of requests for something similar to this and I'll try to draw and post a diagram showing everyone how to do this with the latching relay and another way with only using SPDT relays. This is something I came up with years ago when I designed the relay remote start and I guess I should finally include it on my site.

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Posted: August 05, 2002 at 7:41 AM - IP Logged

That sounds great !! I haven't had the opportunity to installt he 3 relay set up I had but this is what I got ( don't laugh, remember I said that relays aren't my bag JDM Power folding mirrors -- posted image. ): Here's what I have on paper and let me know if this will work or not before I fry the motors on the mirrors

1 st Relay :

30 : One wire from the JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 87 of latching relay
85 : 12 volts constant
87a : Ground

2 nd Relay:

30 : Other wire from JDM Mirrors
87 : 12 volt constant
86 : to 87a of latching relay
85 : 12 volt constant
87a : Ground

Latching Relay:

30 : Alarm (-) input wire with a diode ( band facing the alarm system )
87 : to 86 of 1 st relay
86 : Alarm (-) input wire with a diode ( band facing the alarm system )
85 : 12 volts constant
87a : to 86 of 2nd relay
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Hi Jeff, it appears that you are trying to control the operation of the mirrors with a single (-) pulse from the alarm. However, what you described as a latching relay is not a latch and after drawing what you described, this relay is not needed to activate the coils of the other two relays. The simpliest solution is a latching relay ( http://www.goodmancomponents.com/products/s706_707.htm ) that will allow you to use the same pusle to energize it's own coil and alternately pass it to each of the other two relay coils each time you engage it.

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As for the relays, my (-) pulsed from the alarm is a latched output ( about 4 seconds ). Would it still work the way that I have it above. It seems that the Radio Shack in town here does not have the latching relay. I think you mentioned in one of your posts in the past about the FLIP FLOP relay that you can accomplish this cicuit with just 3 SPDT relays. I'm on a time limit here with my installation ( who isn't right JDM Power folding mirrors -- posted image. ) so I can't wait for one to get to me in the mail. Thanks for looking at this ... I know your a busy man.

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Yes, that's the relay I referred to when I said it is not needed. The SPDT relay you described as a latching relay is not a latch and after drawing what you described, that relay is not needed to activate the coils of the other two relays....

Are the alarm outputs you described here for 30 and 86 the same output from the alarm?

Latching Relay:

30 : Alarm (-) input wire with a diode ( band facing the alarm system )

87 : to 86 of 1 st relay

86 : Alarm (-) input wire with a diode ( band facing the alarm system )

85 : 12 volts constant

87a : to 86 of 2nd relay

If they are, you will need to do what I described above. If these are two separate outputs, the relay you described above is still not needed.

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I can have separate outputs to each function if necessary. I have a total of 6 channels remaining on my expansion module that have nothing on it yet and I made sure I left all the latching ones in case I needed two of them. Thanks for taking the time to doa diagram for me Steave.... it's always easier to see a picture and you know what they say about pictures...... JDM Power folding mirrors -- posted image.

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Posted: August 10, 2002 at 9:02 AM - IP Logged

Okay...well being that you have several latching outputs you can use, you'll only need 2 SPDT relays to control what you described.

If you are not using a switch in the vehicle to control these, wire the relays like this:

1st Relay :

30 : Motor side (1) of the JDM Mirrors

87 : 12 volt constant

86 : to 1st latching (-) output from Alarm

85 : 12 volts constant

87a : Ground

2nd Relay :

30 : Motor side (2) of the JDM Mirrors

87 : 12 volt constant

86 : to 2nd latching (-) output from Alarm

85 : 12 volt constant

87a : Ground

If you have a switch in the vehicle controlling these and the switch is normally grounded, wire the relays like this:

1st Relay :

30 : Motor side (1) of the JDM Mirrors

87 : 12 volt constant

86 : to 1st latching (-) output from Alarm

85 : 12 volts constant

87a : Switch side (1) of FDM Mirrors

2nd Relay :

30 : Motor side (2) of the JDM Mirrors

87 : 12 volt constant

86 : to 2nd latching (-) output from Alarm

85 : 12 volt constant

87a : Switch side (2) of FDM Mirrors

If you want to control the same 2 functions with only 1 latching output from the alarm, you'll need what I initially described using a latching relay and 2 SPDT relays where terminal 86 of each relay in the above configurations would go to two respective terminals of the latchng relay that is controlled by that single latching output from the alarm.

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FourthGenHatch

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Posted: May 26, 2004 at 5:52 AM / IP Logged

Yeah if you guys could make a diagram showing me how to do this I would be infinitely greatful. The button to operate the folding mirrors is supposedly just connected to one wire. I have yet to get my mirrors in the mail so I don't even really have an idea how the wiring on them is. I'm just going by what people said.

But you are saying I can do this with just SPDT relays right?

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