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diebog 
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Posted: May 28, 2013 at 10:45 PM / IP Logged  
I have a 07' Nissan Frontier that I had a (Nissan) keyless entry keypad on that quit on me and I am trying to come up with a solution for a replacement.
You may or may not know that Nissan discontinued this keypad a few years back. I have searched for one that may be left over stock, but no luck. I bought a Ford keypad which is made by the same manufacture and looks identical. Needless to say, I didn't realize they used different frequency's to talk to the keyless entry system and it didn't work.
My question is, is there a way to reprogram the Ford keypad to another cars system? I have researched that question and haven't found much in the way of a yes or no. I am guessing the answer will be no.
So if it is not possible to reprogram it, is there a way to receive the signal sent by the Ford keypad to control a relay or transistor to trigger the unlock/lock? I was hoping to find a module that interfaced with the Ford keypad and had a couple outputs on it that could be used to control things like locks, trunk, remote start. Seems pretty simple in my head and straight forward as far as the idea goes and making use of it, but creating and building such a device is a different story. I know a small amount about electronics, but not enough to take something like this on. So maybe someone knows of such a product that can aid me in using this Ford keypad.
I also checked into other systems/kits to put a different keypad on and so far haven't found one that I like. I don't want to drill holes in the side of my nice truck so Essex's kit is out. I bought a kit from Accelle Vision which turned out to be a cheap unit, and you had to enter the code and then press 1 or 2 to unlock or lock. And when you wanted to arm/lock it, you had to enter your code again and press 2. On my Nissan keypad, you just press the last two buttons a the same time and it locked, arming the alarm and you walked away. To unlock, you just entered the 4 digit code and bam it unlocked.
So I am looking for a keypad that operated in this manor and adhered to the outside of the door vs drilling a bunch of holes. There was one or two that I found that may had worked, but they too were discontinued a while back and no one sells them.
I can't see myself being the only Nissan owner to run into this. And until Nissan has a replacement, people that have them will be stuck when or if they fail. The rubber got old on mine and let water in killing it. If anyone has a suggestion or knows of a product that could possibly help me, I sure would appreciate it.
howie ll 
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I think you're on a wild goose chase here, either contact the OEM manufacturer or install an alarm or alarm/RS as a work-around.
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Posted: May 29, 2013 at 11:29 AM / IP Logged  
Do the ford keypads have any sort of output besides the keyless frequency or are they just like a keyless entry key phob? Just out of curiosity, how are they powered? Battery or hardwired?
I drink current, eat ohms, and bleed voltage
dasbogie 
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Compustar has the rps touchpad that sticks to the inside of the windshield and allows you to enter a code to get in or push one button to lock.  You add it on to one of their remote start systems and you have all kind of features.  If you get the lcd remote kit, it will also allow for paging.  
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diebog 
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Posted: May 29, 2013 at 5:14 PM / IP Logged  
The Ford keypad is a stick on that is wireless. As far as I know there is only the signal it outputs to tell the Fords keyless entry to u lock or lock. I was hoping to be able to find a product that would be able to identify and use that signal which could then be used to trigger the locks.
I have looked into Navistars keypad as well, but found that the unlock/lock features seem to take a while to use.   The video I saw the person had to push and hold the button for a second or so, let to and wait until the LEDs lit up in a circle then onto the next number and so on. From what I gather, you can't just punch in code real quick and it unlocks. Oh and you also have to "wake it up" by pressing the enter key or something to that nature, I don't recall. Plus there is only 5 buttons so when using a code that has numbers 6-0 you have to press the key twice for each digit that Ian 1-5 which seems pretty lame to me.
I just want a simple keypad that sicks to the outside of door and only requires the code be entered to unlock. No waking up or pressing enter after the code, I want just the code that you program it for to open it. Also would be nice though not a deal breaker if here was an even simpler way to lock vs putting code in and then pressing the lock button. Like I mentioned on the one that was on my Nissan, you just pressed the last two buttons at the same time and book it locks and arms it. Why would somone need to put a code in and then press the lock key just to lock the car? Makes no sense to me, but I'm sure there is some kind of reasoning behind it. It's just not for me.
oldspark 
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Posted: May 29, 2013 at 7:00 PM / IP Logged  
The enter or lock etc keys are there to prevent simple successive numeric presses to open or lock.
With an "enter" key, you not only need the correct key sequence, but also the correct length (or at least its end point).
I've seen toddlers open enter-keyless systems much to the surprise of their (apparently) less intelligent parents.
howie ll 
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Quote:-The Ford keypad is a stick on that is wireless.
Unless it's Piezo how does it power up?
Still think we're running around in circles and an alarm or even a keyless entry system will give you all you want for less trouble and cost.
Thank goodness we never saw these systems in Europe.
oldspark 
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Posted: May 29, 2013 at 7:47 PM / IP Logged  
x 3!
The problem with exposed keypads is it gives the change for anyone to access, even if time locks are imposed.
Plus their exposure leading to failure.
And as if traditional locks weren't the target for glues & sticks. Keypads require less tools to disable.
diebog 
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Posted: May 29, 2013 at 9:32 PM / IP Logged  
Ya I realize that an outside keypad isnt fool proof, its more for piece of mind. Keeps the honest person honest type of thing. If someone wants the car bad enough, they will most likely just break a window and already know how to disable a factory alarm on said car. We don't live in a high crime area to most peoples standards, but when we travel to a larger town or go on vacation, is when we use it the most. All the keys are in my cars at all times when parked at my house, and unlocked. So its not a huge deal that I have this, just trying to get a replacement for the wifes truck.
I wanted to put a proximity rfid system on, but again she would have to carry the card and would end up loosing it. So even though I do realize a keypad not being that safe, it seems the best avenue for her.
Auto loc has a touch pad type deal that will sense a finger threw a non conductive material. So one would just need to know where that "spot" the unit is located to unlock the car. I know this is super unsafe, but unless a person was stocking you watching how you unlock, most wouldn't know how to unlock the car. Has anyone messed around with one of these?
Another system that I found was a voice activated unlock/lock system made by keyfree that seems to be decent. It can store up to 5 users unique voice id along with correct chosen phrase. So not only does the correct phrase need to be said, but it has to identify your voice too. There is a demo on youtube that seems pretty simple to use. But there could be a few ways it could be a pain, like a busy street and the system cant recognize you. Has anyone used this before with good results?
Also, I may consider just putting an aftermarket alarm in, but what company's offer a system with a keypad on the outside?
howie ll 
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Compustar as has already been mentioned.
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