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ricey777 
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Posted: December 01, 2006 at 4:14 PM / IP Logged  
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I am having problems with my central locking on my VW Golf. Here is a diagram.
Latched relay? -- posted image.
It is a vacuum pump type system, which i have added a door lock motor triggered by my alarm system. The alarm supplies +12v, reversing the polarity to lock and unlock. The motor is connected to a switch, via a short piece of metal rod, which is also connected to the door lock by another piece of rod. This permanently switches 12v to the vacuum pump at 2 different terminals for lock and unlock.
The problem is with the connection between the motor and switch, and is a little hit and miss.
I would like to replace the switching part of the system with a relay setup, so hopefully giving a trouble free system.
Any suggestions?
hotwaterwizard 
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A few more details about the switch would help. ]

As I understand it you want a Relay to flip the motor wires from positive to negitive and rest then switch from negitive to positive then rest whenever a pulse is put on lock or unlock.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
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master5 
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By "hit or miss" do you mean the switch has a problem? or the vaccum? You didn't mention the year but I used to do alot of these type locks on the older benzes..looks very similar. The problems i would find usually lead to the vacuum lines dried out and leaking so they were not consistant. Normally the "switch" is the doorlock itself..does this vehicle have a regular toggle somewhere or only works off the doors (central locking)

If the problem is the switch..you may need a new one. The best bet on those older ones is to replace all the vacuum locks for electric actuators..you can even use a central locking system which allows the front door locks to control the rears...as well as using your keyless entry.

Post back if you have more info..I don't fully understand the problem.

ricey777 
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What i want to do is replace the toggle switch that powers the vacuum pump. It seems the door lock motor has a shorter stroke than the toggle switch, so sometimes it doesn't unlock.
My idea was to keep the door lock motor to lock the drivers door, and to have the alarm pulse signal to switch the vacuum pump via a relay set up.
The alarm puts out a pulsed +12v but it isnt long enough to drive the vacuum pump. The vacuum pump has two 12v inputs, 1 to lock and 1 to unlock. When the central locking system was standard the 12v to either of these inputs is permanent, switched by the toggle switch in the door.
hotwaterwizard 
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Latched relay? -- posted image. 
John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
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ricey777 
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I do not want any switches !!!
I want the momentry pulse from the alarm to switch the vacuum pump via relay.
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Latched relay? -- posted image.
John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
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master5 
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I think I finally understand this. It would help to know the year of the car but if it's an older vacuum locks it requires an extended pulse to operate properly..a relay will not fix this.

You need to check the programming menu of your security system to see if it has a feature to extend the doorlock pulse. If you don't have a menu (should be in the installation manual) post the make and model of the alarm and maybe we can get the info.

If your unit is not programmable for this they sell pulse extenders for this very purpose. They are cheap so it's worth it rather then building your own..which is another option.

hotwaterwizard 
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Latched relay? -- posted image.
John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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hotwaterwizard 
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The timing cycle on this circuit is the same as the previous.

Latched relay? -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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