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stev067 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 5:14 PM / IP Logged  
Greetings!
I'm getting ready to do my second remote start installation, and I'm finding that this is a bit more complex than the first. I want to make this a very clean installation on my brand new car, and don't want extra connections or missed connections. As stated in the subject, I'm installing a Viper 4806v with FlashLogic FLCAN (pre-programmed by the seller) on my 2013 Civic Si coupe (manual). I've made a few attempts to map everything out, but I keep getting frustrated because a few things are unclear:
What functions will be handled entirely over FLCAN?
What are the 200mA power wires?
What connections do I need to make to the car even though they're shown as D2D for conversation between starter and bypass?
I'd really appreciate if someone could just fill in the blanks for me. I'm leaving everything blank because I'm not confident about what all is necessary, as I stated above. If I had some answers to those questions, I think I could give it a go if nobody is willing. Thanks for reading.
Vehicle Information: 2013 Honda Civic Si Coupe (manual trans)   
Alarm / Remote Start Unit: Viper 4806v   
Bypass Module: FlashLogic FLCAN   
Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit   Vehicle
Connection     Color     Description     Color     Polarity     Location:
H/1     Red     (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT   
H/2     Black     (-) CHASSIS GROUND   
H/3     Brown     (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT   
H/4     WHITE/ Brown     LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay   
H/5     White     PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY   
H/6     Orange     500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT   
1     Blue     500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT   
2     Empty     NOT USED   
3     Green     500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT   
1     Pink/White     (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT   
2     Blue/White     (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT   
3     RED / White     (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT   
4     BLACK / YELLOW     (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT   
5     Dark Blue     (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT   
6     WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT   
7     WHITE/ Violet     (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT   
8     ORANGE / Black     (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT   
9     Gray     (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO)   
10     Blue*     FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity)   
11     WHITE/ Blue     ACTIVATION INPUT   
12     Violet/White**     TACHOMETER INPUT   
13     BLACK/ White***     (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT   
14     GREEN/ Black     (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT   
15     Green**     (-) DOOR INPUT   
16     Empty     NOT USED   
17     Pink     (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT   
18     Violet**     (+) DOOR INPUT   
19     Violet/Black     (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT   
20     Brown     (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT   
21     Violet / YELLOW     (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT   
22     Gray/Black     (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   
23     Orange     (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   
24     GREEN / WHITE     (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT   
1     RED / Black     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays   
2     Pink/Black     (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY   
3     Pink/White     (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT   
4     Red     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay   
5     Violet     (+) STARTER OUTPUT   
6     Orange     (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT   
7     RED / White     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays   
8     Pink     (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT   
     * This optional input can be connected to the horn circuit (+ or -) in vehicles with        
     factory alarm. When this wire receives input for a minimum of 5 seconds, the        
     system reports a trigger on the 2-way remote. This input is for 2-way 5-buttonsystems        
     only.        
     ** Required connection for manual transmission vehicles.        
     *** Ground this wire for automatic transmission vehicles or connect to the parking        
     brake wire for manual transmission vehicles (see owners guide for manual        
     transmission procedure).        
       
stev067 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 8:51 PM / IP Logged  
Well I figured the utter blankness of my post was discouraging, so here's my best guess at each connection:
Connection     Color     Description     Destination
H/1     Red     (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT     12v red
H/2     Black     (-) CHASSIS GROUND     chassis ground
H/3     Brown     (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT     CAN
H/4     WHITE/ Brown     LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a light flash relay     NC
H/5     White     PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY     CAN
H/6     Orange     500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT     NC
  
1     Blue     500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT     CAN
2     Empty     NOT USED     
3     Green     500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT     CAN
  
1     Pink/White     (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT     NC
2     Blue/White     (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT     NC
3     RED / White     (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT     CAN
4     BLACK / YELLOW     (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT     CAN
5     Dark Blue     (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT     NC
6     WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT     Aux?
7     WHITE/ Violet     (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT     Aux?
8     ORANGE / Black     (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT     Aux?
9     Gray     (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO)     CAN
10     Blue*     FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity)     NC
11     WHITE/ Blue     ACTIVATION INPUT     NC
12     Violet/White**     TACHOMETER INPUT     CAN
13     BLACK/ White***     (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT     CAN
14     GREEN/ Black     (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT     CAN
15     Green**     (-) DOOR INPUT     CAN
16     Empty     NOT USED     
17     Pink     (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT     NC
18     Violet**     (+) DOOR INPUT     CAN
19     Violet/Black     (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT     Aux?
20     Brown     (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT     CAN
21     Violet / YELLOW     (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT     NC
22     Gray/Black     (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT     
23     Orange     (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT     NC
24     GREEN / WHITE     (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT     NC
  
1     RED / Black     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ACC and starter relays     12V red
2     Pink/Black     (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY     NC
3     Pink/White     (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT     program as accessory 2, connect to accessory 2
4     Red     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay     12V red
5     Violet     (+) STARTER OUTPUT     Connect to starter
6     Orange     (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT     connect to accessory 1
7     RED / White     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 2 and flex relays     NC
8     Pink     (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT     connect to ignition 1
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 9:29 PM / IP Logged  

Hopefully the seller flashed the FLCAN with the FLC-AL(DL)-HA3 version of firmware.  Here is a link to the current install guide :

http://cdncontent2.idatalink.com/corporate/Content/Manuals/DL-HA3/FLC-AL(DL)-HA3-EN_20130909.pdf
For your car, you will follow the Type 2 diagram.  All of the dashed Orange wires are handled by the D2D harness connection.
Also refference the chart on Page 2.  It lists the functions that are supported with each vehicle.  Specifically, your car has no
sliding doors or power lift gate and those features, while shown in the Type 2 diagram are not suported for your car.

The Viper 4806 is a remote start with keyless entry only.  It has no alarm functions, however the FLCAN supplies those signals

and they will be needed for your install because the vehicle has a manual transmission.  The manual transmission makes things
more complicated.  Here are the basics :
1.  You must run the Viper in Tach Mode.
2.  You must connect the Door, Trunk and Hood status signals.
3.  You must shutdown the car and enter Reservation Mode to enable a remote startup.
4.  You must connect the EBrake to the Viper ( as the Neutral Safety input ).
5.  You must properly bypass the clutch pedal interlock during a remote start.

In two-way D2D mode a lot of these signals are taken care of.   The Door Status, Trunk Status and Hood Status ( if your car has

a factory installed Hood Pin ) are all gathered by the FLCAN and passed on to the Viper via the D2D harness.  Same goes for
the Brake Pedal, EBrake and Tach.  Additionally, the Vipers Lock, Unlock, Disarm and Status Output ( GWR ) signals are handled
by the D2D harness.

Here is the wiring necessary :

H/1     Red     (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT     white (50A)  +    ignition switch      

H/2     Black     (-) CHASSIS GROUND   Chassis ground
H/3     Brown     (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT       orange or pink  -  horn switch
H/4     WHITE/ Brown     LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE          not used   
H/5     White     LIGHT FLASH     *** Set to (-)  ***          gray (-)  headlight switch
H/6     Orange     500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED     not used
1     Blue     500mA (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT        not used   handled by D2D      
2     Empty     NOT USED   
3     Green     500mA (-) LOCK OUTPUT           not used   handled by D2D
1     Pink/White     (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT               not used
2     Blue/White     (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /DEFOG    not used  
3     RED / White     (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT        not used   handled by D2D   
4     BLACK / YELLOW     (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT            not used  
5     Dark Blue     (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT   not used   handled by D2D  
6     WHITE/ Black     (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT not used
7     WHITE/ Violet     (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT not used
8     ORANGE / Black     (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT           not used  
9     Gray     (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO) not used   handled by D2D
10     Blue*     FACTORY HORN INPUT           not used
11     WHITE/ Blue     ACTIVATION INPUT          not used
12     Violet/White   TACHOMETER INPUT       not used   handled by D2D       *** set Viper to Tach Mode ***     
13     BLACK/ White  (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /  EBRAKE               not used   handled by D2D
14     GREEN/ Black   (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM      not used   handled by D2D  
15     Green**     (-) DOOR INPUT        not used   handled by D2D  
16     Empty     NOT USED   
17     Pink     (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT   not used  
18     Violet**     (+) DOOR INPUT         not used     
19     Violet/Black     (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT not used      
20     Brown     (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT not used   handled by D2D
21     Violet / YELLOW     (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT       clutch bypass         
22     Gray/Black     (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT          not used
23     Orange     (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT      not used   
24     GREEN / WHITE     (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM         not used     
1     RED / Black     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT white (50A)  +   ignition switch          
2     Pink/Black     (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A  FLEX RELAY      not used        
3     Pink/White     (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT         red  +  ignition switch   *** set to ACC2***   
4     Red     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT for ignition 1 relay     white (50A)  +   ignition switch
5     Violet     (+) STARTER OUTPUT     yellow  +  ignition switch
6     Orange     (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT         orange  +  ignition switch    
7     RED / White     (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT           white (50A)  +   ignition switch
8     Pink     (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT      blue  +  ignition switch       

Soldering is fun!
stev067 
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:13 PM / IP Logged  
Thank you so much, that helps a ton! Just a couple remaining questions:
1) Do I need to add a relay for any of those connections or am I set?
2) In the schematic for the FLCAN, it looks like I need to make some connections (black wires). Is all of that necessary and accurate?
Ground (-) input - Purple / YELLOW (connect to ground to enable automatic relock after start)
Ebreak, tach, and trunk status direct connect to the viper. So not d2d compatible?
Door lock and unlock hardwired to car
CanH,CanL,Keydata,ignition to ignition cylinder
blue/red ground input
And a random external connection from WHITE/ black to blue / YELLOW
3) Any recommendations on how I could use the 4 auxillary wires? It would be nice if I could fire up things like full heat, full AC, rear defrost...
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Posted: January 15, 2014 at 10:29 PM / IP Logged  

1)  No relays needed for the basic install.

2) The FLCAN ( iDatalink ) info is very accurate. 

     You may not need a re-lock after a remote start because there is a separate Disarm wire.
     Ebrake, tach, and trunk status direct connect to the viper. So not d2d compatible?    Correct
     Door lock and unlock hardwired to car    Yes, necessary for operation during a R/S.
    The FLCAN connects to the ignition transponder connector.  The Viper H3 connects to the main ignition harness.
   
3)  The heat and AC will come on during a remote start at the settings they were left in.  You can use the Vipers
      2nd Status/Rear Defog for the rear defroster.  Here is the info from Audiovox :
      Rear Defrost  LIGHT GREEN  (-)  AT MICU MODULE AT REAR OF INTERIOR FUSE BOX UNDER DRIVERS SIDE OF DASH
      Have to test to see if it's a Pulse or Latched, then program the Viper accordingly.

Soldering is fun!
stev067 
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Fantastic, thanks so much! I'm going to install on Saturday and will post back.
howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: February 19, 2014 at 12:53 PM / IP Logged  
Can you not wire this D2D and some hardwire connections as listed above directly to the Viper?
That should make life easier.
Test before boxing up.
rickdnamps 
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Question for you guys!!
I have Viper 5706V on my Civic 2010 and when I remote start de car I can't unlock the door with the Viper or OEM remote control. I have to shut off the car and ...
Do you have this problem. I connected the auto lock cable on the bypass module after the car remote start. Maybe I can just remove this cable to be able to enter in my car when I'm remote start it (probably the alarm will keep my car in security )!!
I just wonder to know if I'm the only with this problem (installation problem or it's normal)
Thanks
howie ll 
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Try connecting a status output to a key sense wire?
rickdnamps 
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Yeah maybe or I will hardwire the unlock lock directly from the viper module to the same cable of the bypass module.
I think the viper module will unlock the door even if the car is in remote start mode.
The Bypass in D2D maybe can't do it. I'm surprise about that!
When I had Tachometer to OFF position, I was able to start the car and lock unlock the car but When I put it to ON I'm not able.
I will try couple of thing. Now I'm unlocking the car before to remote start it. I don't find that really secure but it's better than to have to shutoff the car.

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