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spmpdr 
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Posted: January 19, 2010 at 10:28 PM / IP Logged  
I have a pair of peerless sls 6.5s in the doors,they crossed over at 600hz/low ,a pair of dayton rs 150 6.5"in my kick panels crossed over@ 600hz /high mated with a pair of jl audio crt050 tweeters crossed @ 4000hzhigh. My question is how would you wire them up and what size amp and how many channels
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Posted: January 19, 2010 at 11:51 PM / IP Logged  
If they're crossed over already, you're done.
What, precisely, is your desired end result?
Active? Passive? What do you feel you're missing?
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
spmpdr 
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 9:30 AM / IP Logged  
haemphyst wrote:
If they're crossed over already, you're done.
What, precisely, is your desired end result?
Active? Passive? What do you feel you're missing?
Sorry if i wasnt specific enough,I meant how much power would you run to them and how would you do it?.what size amp how many channels and how would you wire them?
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spmpdr 
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 9:36 AM / IP Logged  
haemphyst wrote:
If they're crossed over already, you're done.
What, precisely, is your desired end result?
Active? Passive? What do you feel you're missing?
The system is a passive setup using in line crossovers,my desired end result would be nice ,clean music .I feel like i am not getting full potential out of this set up ,it is currently powered by a kenwood 500x4 amp that produces 40 watts rms per channel.The highs share the 40watts (daytonrs150's and jl audio crto50),and the sls each have 40watts rms going to them.I know i am underpowering them and am thinking about a 6channel amp I just dont know how much power or if using a 6 channnel would be my best option
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 9:44 AM / IP Logged  
That's really going to be completely up to you, depending on what kind of sound you are looking for.
In my system, for example, I run my 6's @ 330W per channel, from 80Hz to 600Hz. My 4's are run at 175W per channel, from 600Hz to 3.5kHz, and my tweeters run at 175W per channel at 3.5kHz and up. Six dedicated channels. Even I admit I am a bit insane, running 1200 watts to my doors, more than nearly ANYBODY even runs to a dedicated subwoofer.
Now, while I don't run AT those power levels, EVER, there is that much power "on tap", for perfect reproduction. My amplifiers never even remotely get close to clipping...
Most people would be happy with 1/10th of that much power. 75 watts each woofer, 50 watts each "mid", and 25 to 30 watts each tweeter... Using passive crossovers? Two channels. Using active crossovers? Four or six channels. Nobody is going to be able to answer that question for you with a solid cut-and-dried solution. How radical do you want to get?
When you get into a three-way system in your doors, it's a different animal completely...
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 10:26 AM / IP Logged  
haemphyst wrote:
That's really going to be completely up to you, depending on what kind of sound you are looking for.
In my system, for example, I run my 6's @ 330W per channel, from 80Hz to 600Hz. My 4's are run at 175W per channel, from 600Hz to 3.5kHz, and my tweeters run at 175W per channel at 3.5kHz and up. Six dedicated channels. Even I admit I am a bit insane, running 1200 watts to my doors, more than nearly ANYBODY even runs to a dedicated subwoofer.
Now, while I don't run AT those power levels, EVER, there is that much power "on tap", for perfect reproduction. My amplifiers never even remotely get close to clipping...
Most people would be happy with 1/10th of that much power. 75 watts each woofer, 50 watts each "mid", and 25 to 30 watts each tweeter... Using passive crossovers? Two channels. Using active crossovers? Four or six channels. Nobody is going to be able to answer that question for you with a solid cut-and-dried solution. How radical do you want to get?
When you get into a three-way system in your doors, it's a different animal completely...
I basically want to get maximum performance out of my speakers ,thanks for the info and I do understand that there is no cut and dry answer just looking for ideas on the best way to set it up ,I have been reading into seperate channels for each individual speakers thats seems to be most commom for 3 way setups,basically i am thinking 80watts rms to each of my sls 6.5s 600lp/hz.and 60wattsrms to each dayton and 50wattsrms to each jl audio crt050
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 10:58 AM / IP Logged  
I wouldn't do that.  Since you already have passive Xovers built, wire all three speakers to the same amp and feed them 100 to 150 watts.  I bet it will sound just as good as a tri-amp setup and you won't have to worry about getting it all balanced correctly.  (Did you pad the tweeter to match the midwoof sensitivity?)
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dyohn wrote:(Did you pad the tweeter to match the midwoof sensitivity?)
can you put that in lamens terms so i can understand?lol Im still new at this!!
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The Dayton RS-150 woofer has a sensitivity of about 88 db/watt/meter and the TR050 tweeters have sensitivity listed at 91 db/watt/meter.  So, in order to match these so they play back at the same relative volume levels you'll need to pad the tweets by about -3db.  This means you need to insert an L-pad or fixed resister network that will attenuate them by -3db.  BTW the tweets will never see more than 10 watts in a 100 watt per channel system, and usually much less than that.
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Posted: January 20, 2010 at 3:14 PM / IP Logged  
DYohn wrote:
The Dayton RS-150 woofer has a sensitivity of about 88 db/watt/meter and the TR050 tweeters have sensitivity listed at 91 db/watt/meter.  So, in order to match these so they play back at the same relative volume levels you'll need to pad the tweets by about -3db.  This means you need to insert an L-pad or fixed resister network that will attenuate them by -3db.  BTW the tweets will never see more than 10 watts in a 100 watt per channel system, and usually much less than that.
No,i havent done that yet!! Can i get the l pads or fixed resistors at partsexpress? could you recommend some? What about if I got a 2 channel amp that 150watts rms x2@4ohms and wired them up like this: the mid,woofer and tweeter on the left side of the truck to one channel and the right side on the other channel ,instead of how they are wired now : The dayton and the tweeter share one channel per pair (so they shar approx 40 watts rms)and the dedicated midbass is wired in stereo so getting about 40 watts rms each (if the amp actually produces that)
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