the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
icon

time alignment wiring


Post ReplyPost New Topic
< Prev Topic Next Topic >
dukesrebelyell 
Member - Posts: 33
Member spacespace
Joined: April 19, 2010
Location: Oklahoma, United States
Posted: June 03, 2011 at 6:41 PM / IP Logged  
i was wondering if anyone has a wiring diagram for time align speakers. i saw a schematic for it once but i cant remember where. the head unit im going to buy has the function built into it, its the jvc kdr9 series or something like that, wish i could afford the stage 4 from pioneer though. any help will be great. thanks
35 Hertz custom car audio and automotive fabrication
i am an idiot 
Platinum - Posts: 13,670
Platinum spaceThis member consistently provides reliable informationspace
Joined: September 21, 2006
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: June 03, 2011 at 9:41 PM / IP Logged  
I do not know of any way you could wire a speaker and delay the signal.  Well no practical way. 
the12volt 
Administrator - Posts: 3,955
Administrator spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Electrical Theory. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Security and Convenience. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: March 07, 2002
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: June 03, 2011 at 10:13 PM / IP Logged  

You may have seen some type of lattice filter, but what exactly are you trying to accomplish? Are you trying to align two drivers in an enclosure? Or are you wanting an adjustable listening position? 

time alignment wiring -- posted image. the12volt • Support the12volt.com
dukesrebelyell 
Member - Posts: 33
Member spacespace
Joined: April 19, 2010
Location: Oklahoma, United States
Posted: June 03, 2011 at 10:22 PM / IP Logged  
Its for positioning the focus on the drivers seat of a vehicle. The article that read if I remember correctly was talking about how phase or cycle shifts by so many degrees after passing through a load. It also said that you have to do this with a two channel amp and it won't work with a 4ch. Its a way of wiring the mid/high and it may not be an actually delay but more of a shift in the soundwave Which causes the signal from each speaker to hit the same point at the same time.
35 Hertz custom car audio and automotive fabrication
the12volt 
Administrator - Posts: 3,955
Administrator spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Electrical Theory. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Security and Convenience. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: March 07, 2002
Location: Louisiana, United States
Posted: June 03, 2011 at 11:34 PM / IP Logged  

Since you intend to purchase a head unit with a digital time delay feature, there is no need to wire anything differently and it will have line outputs for front/rear/sub, so you won't be limited to just a two channel amplifier. I can't imagine any passive solution that would work as well as a DSP, but I'd still like to read that article.  BTW, is this the head unit? http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL028809&pathId=142&page=2

time alignment wiring -- posted image. the12volt • Support the12volt.com
haemphyst 
Platinum - Posts: 5,054
Platinum spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Electrical Theory. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: January 19, 2003
Location: Michigan, Bouvet Island
Posted: June 04, 2011 at 7:48 AM / IP Logged  
This is a new one on me...
The MOST you can effectively shift any analog wave is 360 degrees, and then you are back in phase. The most you can DELAY any analog wave is infinite. See the disparity here? Phase Shift vs. Time Delay is like asking the San Diego Chargers to play the LA Dogers in a game of basketball. They're all very different things and are achieved COMPLETELY differently.
Speaking from experience, the TD is a really nice thing to have, but I know of no way to do it passively, other than tens of thousands of feet of wire. Yes. PER SPEAKER! Through any inductor or capacitor there will be a phase shift, this is true, but there won't ever be any time delay worth mentioning. On the order of picoseconds (or even smaller timeframes). TD is really only practical in a digital processor. All that being said, I can't also see ANY reason that if a two-channel amplifier WOULD work, that a four-channel amplifier would NOT work. A four-channel amp is just two two-channel amps in one chassis... Nothing else.
Using any circuit with inductors and capacitors (like a crossover) can certainly (and absolutely DOES) shift phase, but it also bandwidth limits the frequency response. It's most certainly not the same thing.
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
DYohn 
Moderator - Posts: 10,741
Moderator spaceThis member has made a donation to the12volt.com. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Electrical Theory. Click here for more info.spaceThis member has been recognized as an authority in Mobile Audio and Video. Click here for more info.spacespace
Joined: April 22, 2003
Location: Arizona, United States
Posted: June 05, 2011 at 9:20 AM / IP Logged  
Passive time alignment can be accomplished through driver positioning, but that is not really practical in a vehicle.  As theVolt said, DSP is likely your best choice.
Support the12volt.com

Sorry, you can NOT post a reply.
This topic is closed.

  Printable version Printable version Post ReplyPost New Topic
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

  •  
Search the12volt.com
Follow the12volt.com Follow the12volt.com on Facebook
Thursday, May 2, 2024 • Copyright © 1999-2024 the12volt.com, All Rights Reserved Privacy Policy & Use of Cookies
Disclaimer: *All information on this site ( the12volt.com ) is provided "as is" without any warranty of any kind, either expressed or implied, including but not limited to fitness for a particular use. Any user assumes the entire risk as to the accuracy and use of this information. Please verify all wire colors and diagrams before applying any information.

Secured by Sectigo
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer
Support the12volt.com
Top
the12volt.com spacer
the12volt.com spacer