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suebob 
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Posted: December 07, 2003 at 9:59 PM / IP Logged  
Hi,
I am a writer working on an article about "boom cars". I found a whole culture of people out there who are working on laws to limit sound emissions, and would like to talk to people who are on the other side of the issue.
If you could help me out, please email me with a good time to call. If you aren't good on the phone, I could work by email too.
Thanks for the help,
Sue Davis
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Posted: December 07, 2003 at 10:12 PM / IP Logged  
Let's see, not to rain on your article, but this has been an issue for years, it has also been discussed and written about for years. From New York banning alarm siren's/length of siren duration to residential noise ordinances, generally cannot be loud enough to be heard at 50 ft. This is a loosing battle, but one that should be lost. I personally don't play my bass when I am in my community because I know it can be loud and bother people. It is fine when on the highway or when in traffic, but it doesn't belong in residential areas.
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Ketel22 
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Posted: December 07, 2003 at 11:01 PM / IP Logged  
i also come from the point of view of auex, in which there is always a place and time for using your bass and not using it. Those people whom are stupid and run through neighbor hoods playing their system at its peak nearing midnight should be given tickets and fined heavily for it. i know i hate noise when im sleeeping and just waking but i also love my bass when i am going for a drive down a 4 lane road or a high way.
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I'm right there with the other guys..Idiots are idiots it doesn't matter what the issue at hand is there will always be people who abuse things. (drunk driving, police power, etc it doesn't matter..) Every one of my friends with large systems follow the general rule that anytime your driving late at night, the stereo gets turned down..Simple as that. Of course I hear stereos all the time and don't complain one bit. For those 2 seconds out of your life that a car is passing by your house and it annoys you, get over it and get a life..There must be more important things to worry about and fight over..It's sad..They tried to implement a law/ordinance here that your car would be impounded on the spot for a loud stereo/exhaust..Needless to say it didn't make it..The main problem is that any law put into effect now, majority of factory installed stereos could be capable of violating. The law here is any stereo heard from 40 ft away could be ticketed..Any modern day factory car stereo is capable of that and more..Should those people mail there tickets to General Motors for reinbursement? Obviously not like I said it's the people not the industry. We moved into our house knowing there was a major highway right behind it. We don't complain about the noise. If it was that much of an issue we would've moved into the sticks instead of a city..By the way try going down to some local shops to get some installer/shop owner interviews..We've had some news crews come down that's always fun..As you can see it doesn't look like most installers recommend playing the stereo full volume late at night or in residential areas. Alcohol companies sell the alcohol its up to the consumer to use it responsibly. Our industry is no different..You probably aren't going to get the other side of the fence view point your looking for because most seem to agree. Good luck with your article,
Mike
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Posted: December 08, 2003 at 7:20 PM / IP Logged  
Thank you all for your long and thoughtful answers!
One more question: Why have systems that are capable of putting out sounds that can hurt you?
Thanks again,
Sue
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Posted: December 08, 2003 at 8:19 PM / IP Logged  

When you are talking about the annoying people who drive by in their "boom cars", this is just an average everyday system, and is not really capable of physically hurting anyone.  What I think you are talking about is competition systems.  This is no different than people souping up their old hot rods.  They do it because it is a hobby, and it is also interesting to them, and some people take it on as a challenge.  People build comp audio for the same reasons.  It is more than just the "boom factor".  A lot of custon installers go for how good a system looks just as much as it sounds.  I have no pity for those who get violations at residential areas at odd hours of the night.  I warn every customer about it when they leave.  I have had my "boom car" for five years now, and i haven't had any violations, or warnings.  Knowing when to turn the bass down separates pros and and the people that do not care about anyone.

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Posted: December 08, 2003 at 8:26 PM / IP Logged  

Some of these systems that are capable of producing levels that can hurt you are not designed for that fact, they have been designed to push the limits of engineering and physics, to showcase a certain shops capabilities, to entertain crowds. It is one way that a manufacturer can improve their equipment in all aspect of design and engineering, not just to make things loud, but maybe make things sound better or not cost as much money. The vast majority of these systems are not designed for listening to. There is a drastic difference between an audio system designed to be listened to (sq) and an audio system designed to play excessivly loud (spl). I would wager that you are a person who enjoys their music and doesn't need to drive around and listen to things so loud that the whole neighbourhood can hear you, but nonetheless, if your favorite music happens to be playing, you might turn it up a little louder, this is not much different from a person who really enjoys music and plays it at a different level (where he / she annoys the neighbourhood). This is the person whom needs to be educated about listening to music at such an unsafe volume level, they will never recover their hearing, this I know all too well. As an owner of two stores I  do my best to educate a client on the potential of permanent hearing damage (supported by a statement on the receipt) , some of our customers hear what we say, others play their system how they like. In both of our countries that is a right that we have, it is called the freedom of choice. One person's right to silence is no greater or less than another persons right to make noise. There is a time and a place to enjoy your music and this is what should be addressed, but a blanket law that covers say an entire city is wide open for attack for a multutude of legal issues. My question to you, does the culture that dislikes audio at this level understand it or is their basis for attack based on the person who drives by their house?

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Posted: December 08, 2003 at 11:54 PM / IP Logged  
i think the police giving 100 dollar noise violations is freakin ridiculous.  i agree that if i was boomin thru a neighborhood at 3am wakin people up or if i was just at a red light annoying everyone around me, then that is rude and will annoy people.  but i think the 100 dollar tickets are ridiculous and just a way for the cops to make more money....they have a certain quoata of tickets to write to get paid better.   i have gotten 3 noise violation tickets when i was driving...not stopped at a red light...and it was in the afternoon where its not at all a big deal.  this kinda stuff has made me lose lots of respect for the police force. theres people getting robbed and killed and women getting raped...but its ok because, hey, at least the police are making sure my radio is not too loud!!!  so my opinion is that its ridiculous...i can see cops pulling people over for pounding thru a neighborhood at 3am...that annoys me when i get woke up like that.  but other than that...were doing what we like and not hurting anybody.   most of us spend lots of money on our systems and lots of time building it to be as loud as we want it to be.  so when did it all of a sudden become illegal to enjoy a good clean hobby that does not harm anyone??
Ketel22 
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Posted: December 09, 2003 at 1:24 AM / IP Logged  
going with what italnpimp said, within the last days i got pulled over and given a repremad by a popo, he pulled me over in my mothers car, which is currently stock minus 2 speakers. He asked if i knew y i got pulled over and he said it was because of my "boom box." once again this is two stock speakers off the stock h/u. The only reason i didnt get a ticket out here is because i have an out of state liscense. and some of us know the paper work involved isnt worth it.
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Posted: December 09, 2003 at 7:44 AM / IP Logged  

Sound laws suck.  I got a ticket for playing two 6.5 off of the factory radio.  The popo said that he could hear it so he gave me a ticket.  Idiot should have been able to hear it since he was walking by my car.  You can hear a conversation in a car if you are walking by it with the windows down. 

I don't care for the sound laws at all.  I can ride a Harley around all day and they get off on it like it was a drug saying "boy it sounds good".  Turn your music up and that's noise. 

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