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Master Asylum

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Posted: May 01, 2005 at 7:42 AM / IP Logged

Ok I'm not retyping my entire longest post ever a third time, **** that. I'mgonna kill the idiot that screwed this computer up. This is very basic low down now:

6.5 comps. I need something to handle 75wRMS well and beautifully. I like MB Quarts, open to options. Any advice/opinions/options welcome. Tired of my amp blowing RF's pos products. What is the MB Quart QSD 216's power handling, says from 90 to 170 watts... And that is how much RMS?

Bi-amping, highly interested in getting more info for a project upcoming and potentially my car. Need to know how to figure out the power handling of each component. 1/2 the rated?

What are some good online car sales that can be upheld by manufacturers warranties? I thought they were all voided but I also remember reading about some law suit in Florida that won that out for the consumer. I'll post if I remember something else. Price tag is well, flexible as hell. I'd like to keep as cheap as possible, but I understand that what you buy is what you get concept. I'm willing to buy higher end materials that are reputable for being good.

1998 Monte Carlo w/

Eclipse CD8454

2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C

2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369

1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel

2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

haemphyst

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Posted: May 01, 2005 at 9:37 AM / IP Logged

As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing out there worth a crap in off-the-shelf component sets... 90 watts, 150 watts... My ass! If you want QUALITY, you will buy a separate tweeter and mid-bass driver... (and one might even consider, once you're going this far, an awesome 3 inch mid - even more important than the woofer and tweeter, because this is the driver where nearly ALL the voice frequencies will come from, especially a womans voice)

The Adire Extremis 6.8 with a good quality amplifier rated around 200 watts for the mid-bass, the Usher for a midrange, or perhaps the Vifa 3 inch dome mid. As for the tweeter, avoid metal domes, whatever ANYBODY says... Metal domes are very fatigueing, and no fun to listen to, IMHO... These Morel tweeters come as a matched pair... spendy, but high power handling, replaceable domes, WIDE frequency response, excellent transient response, shallow mounting depth, all add up to a very good tweeter choice, even in the event you wanted to go with an EXCELLENT sounding bi-amped two way system.

Rod Elliott has one of the better overall technical websites, along with BCAE for information. I have given you the link to his paper regarding bi-amping...

If you can find a reputable manufacturer that will allow online sales AND uphold a warranty, I would like to see it as well. Online sales open a whole HOST of issues for a manufacturer, including liability, and they all hate that word. I realize that a brick-and-mortar is going to cost you more, but isn't the support after the sale, a proper installation, and actually getting to KNOW the guy that sells you your stuff, worth a few extra bucks? Your high-end gear, (and I am specifically NOT referring to RF, Alpine, Sony, Kenwood, Kicker, or any other mfr that whores themselves out to the big box stores in the name of the almighty dollar) manufacturers that specially and specifically hand choose a dealer, do so for a reason. These dealers have usually proven themselves as quality installers, have longevity in the community in which you find them, provide proper warranty service, and can support your purchase AFTER the purchase. Me, I'm buying from my local dealer - Thanks, but no thanks, to the impersonal, no face havin', voice on the other end of the phone line... he won't even be still working there next week when I have a question about why my deck's treble control suddenly no longer works... To me, that is not worth the 20 or 50 bucks I might save on my (insert product name here)

It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

Master Asylum

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Posted: May 02, 2005 at 4:58 PM / IP Logged

I am going to look into those products indepth, but you put an approach that sounds about my ally and I wasn't even aware was entirely approachable. Thank you. I'll let you know on any decisions I decide and get some feedback.

Concerning the online sales, the only reason I ask is this. Local dealer prices 12w7 for $880 vs $599. The 1000/1 $1200 vs $799. That isn't a subtle difference, me I like my local support entirely, and I even like to have it pro installed. But that I need to learn at some point, and now is good as any. :) But I also like the face to face ability of local shops, problem is, best local shop is a good 45 min drive, which hurts for minor reasons to visit. But dealing with high end like JL product and such, that makes me reconsider my location of purchase. Just trying to look at all the options, as the products I'm looking at aren't for me, I'm a means of finding for another. The decision will be his.

Again thanks for all the help!

Anyone know where the hell to find a body kit for a 98 Monte Carlo LS? God this body is ugly.

EDIT: What is the BCAE Bi-amping link/section? I don't recall ever reading that. But I also read that like 3-4 months ago atleast.

1998 Monte Carlo w/

Eclipse CD8454

2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C

2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369

1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel

2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

Master Asylum

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Posted: May 03, 2005 at 4:31 PM / IP Logged

What amp/s would best work for each of those components? I'm liking the Adire for Midbass, the Usher for the mid(though I'd like to know the power handling on the other one), and the Morel tweeter. Not sure if I wanna go 3 2ch or 1 4ch and 1 2ch or what.

1998 Monte Carlo w/

Eclipse CD8454

2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C

2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369

1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel

2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

Jagrx8

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Posted: May 03, 2005 at 5:43 PM / IP Logged

I'd also like to know how to set up that system and what amps to buy. I suppose a crossover may be needed as well...

Master Asylum

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Posted: May 05, 2005 at 9:03 AM / IP Logged

Any suggestions for amping these components by chance? Like what kinda setup(3 2c or 1 4c and 1 2c). D Class, AB, US Amps seems to have some new class? What would be the best power ratings to look at? I noticed some are 8 ohm impedance, which I would assume, logically, that'd be the best thing to look at, correct? Just kinda hoping to hear back, as this idea is pretty killer.

1998 Monte Carlo w/

Eclipse CD8454

2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C

2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369

1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel

2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

haemphyst

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Posted: May 05, 2005 at 9:31 AM / IP Logged

Let me get back with you, in regards to power ratings... I just looked at the clock, and I gotta get to work.

It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

haemphyst

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Posted: May 06, 2005 at 11:18 AM / IP Logged

Master Asylum wrote:

Sorry, it took me so long to get back, but here are my feelings...

It really will not matter whether you use a class A/B or class D amp. The newest class D amps are getting MUCH better in the high frequency reproduction area, oweing to their MUCH higher switching frequencies, and a 6 channel class D amp will be small... I can't say for SURE they still exist, but I have seen 6 channel class D amps in the past... a company called Blade made them... I do know that Alto also has two flavors of 4 channel class D amps - a 50x4 and a 75x4. Here's the URL: http://www.altomobile.com/html/adp_multi.html I would use these amps in my system if I didn't already have 3000 dollars worth of Eclipse amps in my trunk... They sound AWESOME, and have gotten very good reviews, as well. I have no idea of the price point, but they are in line with pretty much whatever else is out there... In your case, looking into a 3 way setup for your doors, I would go with the 4x50 and a 2x75... That'd be plenty of power for a front stage.

One thing you really need to be aware of, in regards to overall impedance, is your amplifier will make slightly more than half it's 4 ohm rating into an 8 ohm load. With the Adire 6.8, I have not noticed a real need to beat on 'em... If you REALLY wanted to run more than 40 watts or so to them, I'd look into the Alto 150x2, and while not currently available, I saw them in use at the CES this year, so they are on the way. For a little more flexibility, you might consider a pair of the 75x2 versions, and bridge them... Actually, looking at it like that, get 2 of the 50x4 amps, run one in four cannel mode to the mid/tweeter combo in the door, and bridge the other 50x4 to the mid-bass for around 100x2. Avaialble NOW, AND it'd look cool in the trunk too... two of the SAME amp, that always appealed to me as far as cosmetics went... :) There are a couple of options for you.

It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

Master Asylum

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Posted: May 07, 2005 at 4:04 PM / IP Logged

Ok I'm gonna check into info on those amps(Any links would be greatly appreciated if not "commonly" available on the web). I'm going to be putting all of these into a kick panel for each side. (Doors are a pain, *might* someday put a 2nd midbass but I entirely doubt it, since I wanna fabricate my own door panels anyways.) Now let me get this straight before I conciously move on:

Power handling suggestions:

Adire Extremis 6.8: 40wRMS, possible to consider more if I wanna push, correct? (Each driver)

Tweeter/Mid: 50wRMS (each driver)

Assuming I got with the 2 4c amps of 50x each. And I do personally like linear design. Let me know if I got anything wrong. Thank you for the help!

One last note, sorry. Where exactly is this equipment obtainable? I mean some stuff is accessible through dealers and/or websites. BUt I have trouble finding a way to purchase the stuff like Adire and such with a support of their warranty.

1998 Monte Carlo w/

Eclipse CD8454

2xRockford 5.25" Power 2-way T152C

2xRockford 6"x9" Punch 3-way FRC4369

1xMemphis 16-MCH1300 5-channel

2xKicker 12" L5 Solobaric-2 Ohm

Steven Kephart

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Posted: May 08, 2005 at 2:26 PM / IP Logged

Master Asylum wrote:

Power handling suggestions:

Adire Extremis 6.8: 40wRMS, possible to consider more if I wanna push, correct? (Each driver)

Tweeter/Mid: 50wRMS (each driver)

Yes, the Extremis can handle more power than that. Power handling will most likely be dictated by the enclosure used rather than thermally. We have yet to have anyone burn one up.

Master Asylum wrote:

Right now you can purchase the Extremis drivers direct from us. Either that or you can purchase them from www.acoustic-visions.com or www.creativesound.ca. We have quite a few new dealers we are signing up right now that will be up on our dealer site as soon as we get product rolling. So chances are good that you will have a local dealer near you in the future.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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