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shines 
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(premise) I have a small honda crx without the mounts to install rear speakers, and with my roll bar it is impossible to mount spkrs in that area.
(goals) clean clean balanced sound to play multiple genres of music... i listen to a lot of brassy symphonic band music, and really want the instruments to come alive.
1) my install will have to consist of only speakers in the front and maybe a sub in the hatch area.
2) i do not want to use my stock speaker locations; i would rather customized my door inserts so that my front speakers will be closer to on-axis.
3) is quality sound in this limited amount of space impossible, or is it as easy as installing quality mids, tweeters, a tasteful sub, and an amp???
4)last, i'm not using a head unit, but a carputer to run everything (this is in the planning stages,)how will this effect sound quality.
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2)  Speakers are more like light bulbs than lasers.  They don't project their sound directly forward.  In fact they only start to beam at upper frequencies, that frequency being determined by the cone size of the driver.  Try reading my "Advanced front Speakers" thread above for more information, mainly what I write on page 2. 

3)  That depends on your definition of "quality".  I've found that peoples definition of this is greatly effected by their experiences.  If you have experienced a really good sounding system, then that is your reference point to use on your own system.  Working on your experiences and knowledge will greatly help you in building your own system.  This is a very time consuming, but will be worth it in the end.

shines 
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Posted: March 27, 2006 at 10:31 AM / IP Logged  
I reread your advanced front spkrs thread, and understand the lightbulb analogy. How will only having speakers in the front of my car effect the sound quality.
I was thinking about using the mids that you suggested in your adv front spkrs thread, and added some tweeter and a 10 inch sub. I'll reread your posts again for more ideas.
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shines wrote:
I reread your advanced front spkrs thread, and understand the lightbulb analogy. How will only having speakers in the front of my car effect the sound quality. .

Speakers only in the front is prefered by many people, like me.  The front sound stage is all that really matters.

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I have to agree with Dyohn there.  The lightbulb analogy was having to do with your comments about aiming.  It may not be worth the effort.  That will depend on speaker selection and crossover points.
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I think this relates to the orginial topic...  Why is the front sound stage the only "important" part?  I couldn't figure out how to explain that to someone.

That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.
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Posted: March 27, 2006 at 3:27 PM / IP Logged  

arrow12 wrote:
I think this relates to the orginial topic...  Why is the front sound stage the only "important" part?  I couldn't figure out how to explain that to someone.

The very basic reason is sound is supposed to come from in front of you.  Your ears face forward.  When you listen to a live performance (concert) you generally face the stage for the best sound.  The ideal way to listen to recorded sound is to face the source.  So in a car, you want the sound to appear as if it's coming from in front of you.  Since that's where the windshield lives, you have to compromise of course.  sound stage, imaging in 2 seater -- posted image.  You do not want the sound to come from behind your head as this is not natural.

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shines 
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Posted: March 27, 2006 at 6:50 PM / IP Logged  
I've just made up my mind that I don't want a woofer (no space.)
Here's what I have on the sketch board:
- 2 extremis 6.8's in the stock location (will have to be modded)
- 2 av5's-- not sure on location-- maybe molded into the same location as the extremis 6.8's??
- a 4 channel amp
- and the grace of GOD to make this sound good without a head unit-- I'm using a dedicated computer as my media player..
Give me your thoughts; I appreciate your knowledge.
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Posted: March 27, 2006 at 7:48 PM / IP Logged  
What are you using for tweeters?
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shines 
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Posted: March 27, 2006 at 8:02 PM / IP Logged  
I'm not sure; I don't know much about this hobby.you
What would you suggest?
How does my short-list of speakers look so far?
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