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trovash 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:21 PM / IP Logged  

ok here we go... i am sure this question has been asked 7893679843729.3 times but i shall make it one more...

i have a 99 honda civic... and a 73 vw bug....  both these cars will get the same system in them...

im a kicker fan... always have been always will be... sorry no one is perfect...

so onto my question

this is what i want to do......

2 kicker S12L74  

  • titanium deposit cone
  • non-resonant aluminum basket
  • Santoprene rubber surround
  • dual 4-ohm voice coils for wiring flexibility (with a compatible amp)
  • frequency response 20-100 Hz
  • power range 75-750 watts RMS (375 watts per coil)
  • peak power handling 1,500 watts
  • sensitivity 86.6 dB SPL
  • top-mount depth 6-13/16"
  • sealed box volume 0.88-2.0 cubic feet
  • ported box volume 1.75-3.25 cubic feet  
  • 1-year warranty

and a Kicker ZX1500.1 monoblock

  • RMS Power Range : 1500 Watts
  • Number Of Channels: 1
  • Power (watts): 750W x 1 @ 4-Ohms 
  • Power (watts): 1500W x 1 @ 2-Ohms 
  • Low Frequency response: 20 Hz
  • High Frequency Response: 200 Hz
  • Built In Crossovers: Yes
  • Channel Separation: Yes
  • Class D Design
  • Gain and crossover frequency control
  • Protection light indicator
  • Mosfet Powered
  • Soft Start turn-on
  • Protection Circuit
  • Remote bass control
  • Dimensions: 20" (L) x 2-1/8" (H) x 9-5/8" (D)
  • Frequency Response: 20Hz-200Hz +0, -1dB
  • Input Sensitivity (High Level): 250mV - 10V
  • Input Sensitivity (Low Level): 125mV - 5V
  • Signal To Noise Ratio: >95dB
  • Active Crossover: 24 db/octave, variable 50Hz-200Hz, Low pass only
  • KICKQ Boost: Variable to +18dB
  • 12db/octave subsonic filter defeatable at 25Hz

now i know the speakers are duel 4 ohm and can be wired to make them 2 ohm but my question is will this amp support that load and how can i WIRE the subs to 2ohm  so that both subs are 2ohm and they will goto the AMP as 2 ohm??

a wire diagram made in paint shop or what ever would be really helpfull i have searched the net but have found nothing... any help would be great.... ANY...

bj99 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:27 PM / IP Logged  
There is calculators for that kind of stuff on this website.
trovash 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:33 PM / IP Logged  
well the kicker web page sugjests using this amp... my main problem is the wiring....
Flakman 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:34 PM / IP Logged  
If you are talking about 2 - 4 ohm DVC subs, you cannot make them 2 ohm total load You can get 1 ohm or 8 ohm. That's it unless you were to only use one VC from each subwoofer and wire them in parallel for 2 ohms. You will lose about 10-15% of your total output.
The Flakman
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trovash 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:39 PM / IP Logged  
ok then why would kicker sugjest this amp for 2 S12L74 if you cant make a pair at 2ohm?
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 6:59 PM / IP Logged  

I don't know why they would recommend that amp. You cannot get a 2 ohm total load from 2 - 4 ohm DVC subwoofers. It is electronically impossible.

I will revise my previous post. The subs can be wired at 1 ohm, 4 ohm, and 8 ohms.

You have a few options for the subs you have:

  • 2 ohm stereo amp with required wattage.
  • 4 ohm mono amp with required wattage.
  • 1 ohm mono amp with required wattage (not my favorite choice...but with a good quality amp with built in fans, it is doable)
  • run only 1 voice coil per subwoofer and lose 10-15% of your output.
The Flakman
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 7:17 PM / IP Logged  

If you have a solid, well-braced and optimally constructed enclosure for those subs, you should go ahead and use this equipment if you already have it.  It's not a crime, even on the street, to run subs at a 4 ohm load.  Wire like:

amb to sub? -- posted image.

If what I said above is true in your case, you will have some seriously loud subs.  Keep in mind this often-overlooked fact:  doubling the power (in this case as if the load on the amp were 2 ohms) will net an increase of only 3 db...but you may rarely if ever be at that point where that increase would come into play.  At least not if you are using this car as a daily driver.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks, Stevdart. Forgot about that.amb to sub? -- posted image.
The Flakman
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John | Manteca, CA
trovash 
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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 7:47 PM / IP Logged  

wow, ok then this is alot of information for me to intake...

i dont have any of the equiptment as of yet... tho i do know i was S12L7

stevdart that monoblock amp (the ZX1500.1) would not be the amp to use in this case with what your diagram shows am i correct??

if not do you have any sugjestions on what amp i should use with that diagram you have shown??

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Posted: September 14, 2006 at 8:07 PM / IP Logged  

Yes, I was referring to that very mono amp.  Two ohms is the limit you can run it at, while 4 ohms is an easier load for it to handle.  750 is a lot of power no matter what impedance influences it.  You may never have a use for 1500 watts for subwoofers.

If you want to have a 2 ohm load on that amp, use the model S12L72.  Refer to Woofer Wiring, found in the blue help and info column to the left of this page.  But definitely stay with the idea of using a mono amp for subs;  it takes a lot less power reserves from your car's electrical system than a stereo amp.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
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