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2010 f150 viper 5901 lock wires


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dave33014 
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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 7:11 PM / IP Logged  
After spending hours of research on this topic I give up. I'm trying to figure out the door lock/unlock connections to make. Apparently I have a 3 wire negative pulse (-) Type B lock system. In reading the Ford remote start install manual they hook up 5 lock wires. I have the 451M that came with my 5901 system and the wire pinout is on the back but I can't figure out where they go in the vehicle.
Two lists I've found say:
POWER LOCK GRAY / YELLOW (-) TYPE (B)       IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL
POWER UNLOCK      PURPLE / GRAY (-) TYPE (B) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL
LOCK MOTOR WIRE      GRAY/BROWN (+) IN DRIVERS KICK PANEL
and then I found this one
Doorlocks/Windows       
WIRE COLOR POLARITY LOCATION
Door Lock Circuit 3 WIRE NEGATIVE
Power Unlock VIOLET/GRAY (-) SJB C2280C PIN 4
   IF THE VEHICLE DOESNT HAVE KEYLESS THAN ITS A 5 WIRE DOOR LOCK CIRCUIT
PowerLock GRAY / YELLOW (-) SJB C2280C PIN 17
   IF THE VEHICLE DOESNT HAVE KEYLESS THAN ITS A 5 WIRE DOOR LOCK CIRCUIT
Driver Mtr Unlock BLUE/GREEN (REV) DRIVERS KICKPANEL
Driver Mtr Lock GRAY/BROWN (REV) SJB C2280D PIN 6
Pas Mtr Unlock VIOLET/GRAY (REV) SJB C2280D PIN 27
So which one is right? Which wires do I need form the 451M or do I even need it? I'd like to keep the progressive locking intact.
Additionally, where does the key sense attach to the 5901 harness?
Many thanks,
Dave
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Posted: February 16, 2010 at 8:20 PM / IP Logged  

If your truck came with factory remote keyless entry, you have Type B (-) door locks. 

You can attach directly from the 5901 to the trucks Lock/UnLock wires.  There are a couple of places to grab those wires.  One is in the Drivers Kick Panel, the other is at the Smart Junction Box.  Lock is Gray / YELLOW and UnLock is Violet (Purple)/Gray.

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dave33014 
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Posted: February 17, 2010 at 7:09 AM / IP Logged  
Thanks, That's along the lines of what I was thinking at 4 AM today. Since I have the factory keyless the relays are there and I should only need the 2 wires. (the third in the three-wire (-) system must always be hot)
I can't imagine I need the 451M module, I should just be able to grab the blue and green wires from the 5901.
Thanks for helping me keep my sanity.
-Dave
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Posted: February 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM / IP Logged  
The third in a (-) three wire type b, should be negative, not hot! Yes you can use the green and blue wires directly and omit the 451m!
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Posted: February 17, 2010 at 8:00 PM / IP Logged  
I usually don't connect Keysense on Fords.  There is conflicting info on your trucks keysense wire, one source says (+) and the other says (-).  If you deceide to use it, check it first with the digital multi meter.
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