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mad cow 
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Posted: March 01, 2010 at 5:59 PM / IP Logged  
Is a relay the only way to reverse the polarity of a lock/unlock pulse? My alarm sends a negative pulse but my car needs a positive. I don't want to wire in 2 more relays because I've already had to wire in one for the parking lights and there are 2 more attached to the alarm harness, there just isn't that much room behind my glovebox for 5 more big relays. I've read that you can use transistors but I haven't found any concrete information.
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If all you are trying to do is convert (-) to positive you can use a PNP transistor rated for at least 3A. 

You would only need two relays to convert (-) to (+).  What kind of alarm do you have?

You can also get smaller mini relays that don't take up near as much space.  Another alternative would be a DEI 451M - two mini relays in one small enclosure designed to turn low current (-) pulses in to whatever you need them to be.

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2 relays? Not just one?
(And diodes for multiple inputs, or outs?)
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mad cow 
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How would you connect a PNP transistor to do that? A transistor is a much better idea because I probably have a few lying around so I won't have to buy anything extra. And I know I would only need 2 relays, but I already have 3 other ones so they'll all take up alot of space. I have a compustar CM4200DX, but I don't know if that helps.
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There are door lock coverters they sell...cheap...converts negative to positive...Usually have to cut the connector end of the polarity converters and then wire up door lock wires and a constant 12v source to the cut end...Here is a link to a similar one...(i can't remember the model #...Always say door lock thingy's when i order them...and same rep. for awhile) http://www.thefind.com/buy-2SyQsN7X0?result_view_id=1ac854c7537025252ce14adbc0e19c8e%3A0003&result_impression_id=1ac854c7537025252ce14adbc0e19c8e%3A0010&srcquery=door+lock+polarity+converters
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Here is the relay to convert...Would need one for each lock and unlock wire...You could also extend the wires and place the relays in another location...Really anywhere...Just extend the wires...

Convert a Negative Output to a Positive Output
If you have a switch or an alarm or keyless entry that has a negative output that you wish to use to switch a device that requires 12V+ such as a horn, dome light, parking lights, head lights, hatch release, etc., wire a relay as shown below to convert the negative output (trigger) to a positive output.
reverse polarity without relay -- posted image.
 

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Again I don't want to use relays, I saw that diagram already. It'll also be too much of a hassle to run all those wires to somewhere else because I don't want to tear up the interior just to install an alarm.
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Run a 470 ohm resistor between the (-) out and the base of the PNP transistor.

Connect 12vdc to the emitter through a 22 ohm 1/4watt resistor.  Connect the collector to your door lock wire.

You must wire a diode between the (+) output of the transistor and ground to protect the transistor from the inductive relay coil.

Seriously, grab a 451M and call it a day!

Kevin Pierson
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KPierson wrote:

Run a 470 ohm resistor between the (-) out and the base of the PNP transistor.

Connect 12vdc to the emitter through a 22 ohm 1/4watt resistor.  Connect the collector to your door lock wire.

You must wire a diode between the (+) output of the transistor and ground to protect the transistor from the inductive relay coil.

Seriously, grab a 451M and call it a day!

Where would I get a 451M? From what I've read it comes with some Viper systems, so is it safe to assume mobile audio/security stores will have them?
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mad cow wrote:
Again I don't want to use relays, I saw that diagram already. It'll also be too much of a hassle to run all those wires to somewhere else because I don't want to tear up the interior just to install an alarm.

Don"t see why you would have to tear up anything...Arent you going to have to give it 12v-ground-and run the wires to the doorlocks anyway...? I was just trying to add some ideas why the relays would work fine...In case you overlooked those options... But i posted a link for the converters...Cheap...easy to install...tiny...Or follow the others suggestion with the dei piece.

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