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rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 07, 2010 at 12:29 PM / IP Logged  
Hey so just installed a Autopage RS-665 2W into a 04 Dodge Ram 3500 Diesel with factory alarm. I didn't use the siren with the Autopage and instead programed a wire on the alarm to wire up to the factory horn.
HORN OUTPUT, (-) 200mA output
(See Alarm Feaure A - 6 Programming)
This provides a negative output to be connected to the vehicles negative horn trigger. This is a transistor output and should be connected before the factory horn relay.
After wiring this up, the horn worked, for example when locking and unlocking the doors. But after a few more tries I noticed that it only works roughly every second time.
I lock, it beeps, lights flash etc.
I unlock, then lock again, and only the lights flash.
I unlock, then lock again, and the horn beeps and the lights flash.
And on and on. Any idea why this would be?
zerepdivad 
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Posted: December 07, 2010 at 10:42 PM / IP Logged  
common issue. i think it has something with the ground sent from the unit is too weak. i've heard of people using a relay to it but i've never bothered.
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rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 07, 2010 at 11:50 PM / IP Logged  
I think it might be something that will bother me after a while. I rather just do it right haha.
How could I wire a relay for that?
blanx218 
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Posted: December 08, 2010 at 12:26 AM / IP Logged  
pin 85 to +12v constant, pin 86 to (-) horn output, pin 87 to ground, pin 30 to horn wire in the vehicle
rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 08, 2010 at 10:34 AM / IP Logged  
Thanks blanx
rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 19, 2010 at 5:32 PM / IP Logged  
Hey so just wired up that relay for the horn, and it almost made it worse. Now when I lock, there is never a horn sound. And when pressing lock again (for 6 honks, parking locator) the horn honks but its a little hit and miss and like not full length honks.
I wired the relay as follows
Pin 85 - 12v (Fused at 5 Amps)
Pin 86 - (-) Horn Output From Alarm
Pin 87 - Ground
Pin 30 - Truck Horn
Did I mess up? Is there something I am missing, I checked the wiring multiple times. When I lock the truck the relay doesn't active, but when doing the parking location I feel the relay working.
rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 21, 2010 at 12:57 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah so for sure dont know whats going on.
I can get like a solid 10 honks in a row when locking and un locking repeatedly. But then like after lets say ten, no more honking when locking for 5 more trys. Sooo messed.
zerepdivad 
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Posted: December 21, 2010 at 10:55 PM / IP Logged  
can you program how long the pulse is on the horn wire? i know on dei units you can. uncertain on that one.
You could also just go ahead and wire up the siren...
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rjkboyle 
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Posted: December 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM / IP Logged  
Yea I think I might resort to having to hook up the sinen. I dont believe so but I will try looking. Also do you think if I took the 12v siren output and switched the polarity with a relay it would work any better. Or is that even possible?
danford1 
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Posted: December 28, 2010 at 12:22 PM / IP Logged  
Yes, negative output to positive output is possible.
There are many, many relay diagrams on this site that show you a lot of options. Here is the neg to pos output diagram.
https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relaydiagram8.html
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