07 f250 viper 5901 check up

I'm looking for some assistance on installing my alarm!

I have been doing some research over the past week using the12volt.com forum, reading the Installation Guide , reviewing my Wiring Schematic as prepared by DirectWire, Directed Electronics.

  With all of the reseach that I have done , I have created a spread sheet that indicates where everything is to be hooked up. So I was hoping that somebody that has actually installed this system on my same year can give me some input on what I have put together.  Also for those that have installed this on thier 2006 F250, this year has a GEM unit and my year, 2007 doesn't, it has what is called a VSM so the wiring is a bit different as it pertains to the Dome Light.

Alarm: Viper 5901 Responder LC3 SuperCode SST 2-Way Security and Remote Start System5702V

Alarm Accessories: 520T Back up battery

Truck: 2007 F250 SD 6.0 L Diesel

Factory Alarm: NO

Keyless Entry: Yes

Progressive Locks: Yes (would like to maintain)

Dome Delay: YES

VSM: YES

GEM: NO

IF anyone would like I can email them my spread sheet where I have all of my notes and comments organized along with the information listed below.  Any comments will be greatly appreciated.

Also, I would be willing to share my spread sheet with anyone that is also looking to install this Viper unit on thier 2007 F250.

Primary Harness (H1) , 12-pin Connector

H1/2 (+)12V Constant

Yellow (30a), Lt grn/pur (30A) wires located at  Ignition Harness   or Direct to Vehicle Battery (+) 12V Constant Input

H1/3 (+) Siren Input               

(+) Siren Output Located at Siren

H1/4 Light Flash Isolation Wire – Pin 87a of onboard relay 

Connect to Relay (Refer to H1/9)

H1/5 Chassis Metal 

(-) Chassis Ground

H1/6 (+) Door Trigger Input

Connect to Dome Supervision – (BLACK/ Lt. Blue) Wire Located at Rear of Drivers Door Sill Plate Harness. 

H1/7 (-) Trunk Pin / Instant Trigger Input (N/C or N/O)

Connect to 520T Backup Battery   

H1/8 (-) Door Trigger Input (N/C or N/O)

Not used

H1/9 (-)200m Dome Light Output

 BLACK/ Lt. Blue Wire at Passenger Kick or Cluster.   Blue Plug Pin 26 (Relay Required) 

H1/10 (-) Remote start/turbo timer activation input

Push Button  

H1/11 Parking Light Output

Brown Wire Located at Switch or VSM  green plug pin2 

H1/12 (-) 500mA Ground When Armed Output

 Not Used

    

Relay Wiring - Dome Light Supervision

 Pin85 Wired to H1/4 at Viper BLACK/ White (Light Flash -Isolation Wire - Pin 87a of onboard relay)

 Pin87 Wired to H1/9 at Viper  WHITE/ Brown (Domelight Supervision Polarity (+) or (-))

 Pin86 Wired to 12V constant Wired to +12V constant Fused

 Pin30  Wired to Dome Light Supervision Factory Wire (Black / Lt. Blue @ Passenger Kick or cluster, (blu plg, pin 26) Also found in the driver side kick panel on some models. 

    

 Harness (H2), 18 pin connector

 H2/1 Factory Alarm Disarm Output

Wire to (528T BLACK/ White) (Per Tech Doc 1091)  

H2/2 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 4 output

 Not used

H2/3 (-) 200 mA OEM Alarm Arm Output

 Not Used

H2/4 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 2 Output

 Not used

H2/5 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 3 Output

 Not used

H2/6 (-) 200mA Auxilary 1 Output

 Not used

H2/7 (-) Diesel wait to Start

Wire to 528T  Brown wire. (Don’t connect to Factory “Wait to Start”) 

H2/8 (-) 200mA Horn Honk Output

Dark Blue wire at switch or VSM, green plug, pin 6 

H2/9 Tachometer Input Wire

Don’t connect wire use Virtual tach- Programming Only.  

H2/10 (-) 200 mA Status Output

 Not Used

H2/11 (-) 200mA Flex Relay Control Output

 Not Used

H2/12 (-) 200mA Accessory Output

 Not Used

H2/13 (-) 200mA Starter Output

 Not Used

H2/14 (-) 200mA Ignition 1 Output

 Not Used

H2/15 N/O or N/C (-) Hood Pin Switch input

 Under Hood

H2/16 (-) 200mA 2nd Status /Rear Defogger Output

 Not used

H2/17 (+) brake shutdown input wire 

Lt. Green at Break Pedal Switch 

H2/18 (-) Neutral Safety Switch Input

 Automatic transmission Wire to Ground (Chassis)

        

    

Tech Tip 1091 (Diesel wait to start with timer)

528T BLACK/ White 

 Wire to H2/1 GREEN/ Black 

 528T Brown

Wire to H2/7 Gray /Black

528T Orange

 Not Used 

528T Yellow

 Ground

528T Black

 Ground

528T Red

 (+)12v constant   

  

   

    

Heavy Gauge Remote start, (H3) 10 Pin connector

H3/1 (+) Ignition 1 Input/Output

 Red / Lt. Green at Ignition Harness 

H3/2 (+) Fused (30A) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Input 87

 (+) 12v constant  

H3/3 (+) Accessory Output

Accessory 1 -Grey / YELLOW and RED / Black wires located at Ignition Harness.

Question: Will a relay be necessary if there are two Acc. 1 wires?

H3/4 (+) Starter output (car side of the starter kill)

Dk. Green at Ignition Harness 

H3/5 (+) starter input (key side of the starter kill wire)

Dk. Green at Ignition Harness 

H3/6 (+) fused (30a) ignition 1 Input

(+) 12v constant

H3/7 (+) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output

Accessory 2-dk. Blue/Lt. Green at Ignition Harness 

H3/9 (+) Fused (30a) Accessory/Starter Input

(+) 12v constant 

H3/10 N/C 

 Not Used

    

    

Door Lock Harness, 3-Pin Connector   (Type-A: Three-wire (+) pulse)

1  (-) 500 mA Unlock Output 

Pink / Black at Driver Kick or VSM, Gray Plug, Pin 1

2 Empty

 Not Used 

3  (-) 500mA Lock Output

Red / Orange Driver Kick or VSM, Gray Plug, Pin 7 

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Both Bulldog and Audiovox list 2 Ignition wires and two Accessory wires.  Best to verify this with a DMM.  And yes, use a 30/40 Amp SPDT relay for ACC2.  Wire as follows:

Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12v constant fused at 20 AmpsRelay Pin 85 to Viper H2/12Relay Pin 87a not used - insulateRelay Pin 30 to ACC2 at F250 ignition harness

Did you verify that your truck does not have the PATS immobilizer?  ( Some do. )

If Virtual Tach does not work properly, here is Diesel Tach info from Bulldog:

On DIESEL Engines the TACH wire is a LIGHT GREEN / WHITE wire in a 5-Pin Harness held up with WHITE tape located behind the Parking Brake Release.

Soldering is fun!

Thanks for the reply, I greatly appreciate it. 

What is throwing me off is that the DEI Wiring lists the following:

ACC-1 (Grey / YELLOW and RED / Black)

ACC-2 (Blue/ Lt. Green)

This would be three wires?- That's what is throwing me off.

H3/3 (+) Accessory Output

Accessory 1 -Grey / YELLOW and RED / Black wires located at Ignition Harness. Question: Will a relay be necessary if there are two Acc. 1 wires?H3/7 (+) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output  

Accessory 2-dk. Blue/Lt. Green at Ignition Harness 

If it is determined that ACC-1 has two wires, I will wire in a Relay as you have indicated. I will test these wire to see if there truly are two wires for ACC-1.

That's strange that Bulldog and Audivox lists 2 ignitions and Direct Wire indicates only one, I will have to look into that.

PATS- I'm not 100% Certain that my truck has a PATS- I will verify when I start the installation.  I'm prepared because I have purchased the XPRESS PKFM just in case it is needed. The wiring directions are very clear for that unit.

Was there anything else that caught your attention?   Dome Light supervision Relay wiring? Anything else?

Thanks

Also, the

Anybody Else, have any input?

If your dome light comes on either when you manually unlock or through keyless entry you won't need domelight supervision. Also and I'm sure Kreg knows better but using a POS door trigger? Asking questions about the number of ignition wires is moot; read my bye-line.

Some more info confirming the door lock info in my previous P.M.

2007 F250  Door Locks

Vehicles with keyless entry, the lock wire is WHITE/ red (-), in the driver kick, door harness or also

at the VSM, gray plug, pin 3. The VSM (Vehicle Security Module) is to the right of the accelerator pedalabove the transmission hump below the radio. Not accessible from radio opening.

Vehicles with keyless entry, the unlock wire is BLACK/ white (-), in the driver kick, door harness or

also at the VSM, gray plug, pin 2. The VSM (Vehicle Security Module) is to the right of the accelerator pedal above the transmission hump below the radio. Not accessible from radio opening. Vehicles with keyless entry the VSM shuts down after the doors have been locked for a certain time period, to wake up the system refer to Tech Doc 1094.

Soldering is fun!

This might give you some pointers: Profile Kevin Pierson, look at his posts, about 3 years ago the post is started by him so it's quite easy to find, page 6 I believe, Viper 5901 R/S in an 05 F150. There are photos galore.

Thanks for everyone's input-- The alarm is working good. However, I'm having an issue with running my battery out of juice.

When I leave the Heater or vent on after I shut off the truck the heater or vent continues to run, therefore running my battery out of juice. If I turn of the Heater or Vent before I shut down the truck there is no issue with my battery running down. I have included the wiring diagram as it is currently installed. 

Also, I have tested the Wiring Harness and have determined the following: 1-Ignition wire / 3-Accessory wires / 4-(+) 12v wires

Ignition Wiring harness

RED / Black- Accessory #1 wired directly into Viper alarm with built in relayRED / Lt. Green- IgnitionGray / YELLOW- Accessory #3 wired into RelayYellow- (+)12VYellow- (+)12vBlue/Orange- (+)12vBlue/Lt. Green- Accessory #2 wired directly into viper alarm with built in relayGREEN/ Purple- (+)12v

Primary Harness (H1) , 12-pin Connector

H1/2 (+)12V Constant(+) 12V Constant Input GREEN/ Purple at Ignition HarnessH1/3 (+) Siren Input                (+) Siren Output Located at SirenH1/4 Light Flash Isolation Wire Not ConnectedH1/5 Chassis Metal (-) Chassis GroundH1/6 (+) Door Trigger InputConnect to Dome Supervision – (BLACK/ Lt. Blue) Wire Located at Rear of Drivers Door Sill Plate Harness. H1/7 (-) Trunk Pin / Instant Trigger Input (N/C or N/O)

Not Used   H1/8 (-) Door Trigger Input (N/C or N/O)Not usedH1/9 (-)200m Dome Light OutputNot usedH1/10 (-) Remote start/turbo timer activation inputNot Used H1/11 Parking Light OutputBrown Wire Located at  VSM  green plug pin2 H1/12 (-) 500mA Ground When Armed Output Not Used    Harness (H2), 18 pin connector

H2/1 Factory Alarm Disarm Output

Wire to (528T BLACK/ White) (Per Tech Doc 1091)  H2/2 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 4 output

 Not usedH2/3 (-) 200 mA OEM Alarm Arm Output Not UsedH2/4 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 2 Output Not usedH2/5 (-) 200 mA Auxilary 3 Output Not usedH2/6 (-) 200mA Auxilary 1 Output Not usedH2/7 (-) Diesel wait to StartWire to 528T  Brown wire. (Don’t connect to Factory “Wait to Start”) H2/8 (-) 200mA Horn Honk OutputDark Blue wire at VSM, green plug, pin 6 H2/9 Tachometer Input Wire

Don’t connect wire use Virtual tach- Programming Only.  H2/10 (-) 200 mA Status Output Not UsedH2/11 (-) 200mA Flex Relay Control Output

 Not UsedH2/12 (-) 200mA Accessory OutputAccessory #3 Wired to PIN 85 RelayH2/13 (-) 200mA Starter Output Not UsedH2/14 (-) 200mA Ignition 1 Output Not UsedH2/15 N/O or N/C (-) Hood Pin Switch input Under Hood Pin SwitchH2/16 (-) 200mA 2nd Status /Rear Defogger Output Not usedH2/17 (+) brake shutdown input wire Lt. Green at Break Pedal Switch H2/18 (-) Neutral Safety Switch Input

 Automatic transmission Wire to Ground (Chassis)             Tech Tip 1091 (Diesel wait to start with timer)528T BLACK/ White  Wire to H2/1 GREEN/ Black   528T BrownWire to H2/7 Gray /Black528T Orange Not Used  528T Yellow

 Ground528T Black Ground528T Red (+)12v constant      Heavy Gauge Remote start, (H3) 10 Pin connectorH3/1 (+) Ignition 1 Input/Output Red / Lt. Green at Ignition Harness H3/2 (+) Fused (30A) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Input 87 (+) 12v constant (Yellow) H3/3 (+) Accessory OutputAccessory 1 -RED / BlackH3/4 (+) Starter output (car side of the starter kill)Dk. Green at Ignition Harness H3/5 (+) starter input (key side of the starter kill wire)Dk. Green at Ignition Harness H3/6 (+) fused (30a) ignition 1 Input(+) 12v constantH3/7 (+) Ignition 2 / Flex Relay OutputAccessory 2-dk. Blue/Lt. Green at Ignition Harness

H3/9 (+) Fused (30a) Accessory/Starter Input

(+) 12v constant GREEN/ Purple at Ignition Harness H3/10 N/C  Not Used

Relay Wiring Accessory #3

Pin30 Grey / YELLOW at Ignition HarnessPin 85 (Not Used)Pin 86 (+12v) at Ignition harnessPin 87 (+12v) at Ignition harness

        Door Lock Harness, 3-Pin Connector   (Type-A: Three-wire (+) pulse)1  (-) 500 mA Unlock Output Pink / Black at Driver Kick or VSM, Gray Plug, Pin 12 Empty Not Used 3  (-) 500mA Lock OutputRed / Orange Driver Kick or VSM, Gray Plug, Pin 7