viper 5901, xk09, 2010 nissan titan

I am in the process of installing a 5901 with xpresskit xk09 into a 2010 Nissan Titan LE and I have run into 2 sepearate issues I am hoping someone can help with.

Let me start off by listing what all wires I have connected on the 5901.  Keep in mind I am simply trying to get this to start and I was planning on hooking up other wires once

I knew it was going to work.

On the 6 Pin starter plug of the titan I have connected the following wires to the 10 pin plug on the 5901.

Green (12volt) -- (10-Pin Remote Start) H3/2 RED / White, H3/6 Red, H3/9 RED / BlackGreen (12 volt) -- (12-pin Main Harness) H1/2 RedRed (accessory) -- (10-pin Remote Start) H3/3 OrangeBLACK/ Red (iginition) -- (10-pin Remote Start) H3/1 PinkBrown (Starter) -- (10-pin Remote Start) H3/4 Violet

I grounded the following wires

(18-pin connector) H2/18 BLACK/ White(12-pin Main Harness) H1/5 Black(Negative side of siren)

I hooked positive side of siren to (12-pin Main Harness) H1/3 Brown

I mounted and connected hood pin to (18-pin connector) H2/15 Grey

I mounted (18-pin connector) H2/9 Violet/White to a correct fuel injector wire under the hood.

Last I hooked (12-pin Main harness) H1/6 Violet to 12 volt door trigger.

On the XpressKit xk09 I connected the following according to the install manual and per chatting with a support tech for them.

I connected the Tan/Black wire from the xk09 to the Blue wire on the 40-Pin BCM plug which is the Can-HighI connected the Tan wire from the xk09 to the Pink wires on teh 40-pin BCM plug which is the Can-LowI cut the GREEN/ Orange wire on the 40-pin BCM plug in half and the side going to the security light was connected to Orange on the xk09 and the other side was connected to the

yellow on the xk09.

I then plugged the xk09 into the 5901 using the D2D cable provided.

The 2 issues I am having are as follows.

#1 The xk09 light is flickering constantly.  It never turns solid as it describes it should in the manual no matter what I try turing on key off, pressing program etc.

#2 The 5901 alarm works fine.  The first time I pressed the remote start button I received 7 flashes.  According to the manual this meant  Timer mode/Turbo mode/Manual mode

error.  From what I read the 5901 by default is in Manual transmission mode which is fine so I followed the steps to change it to automatic mode.  I opened the door, turned on

and off the key, pressed the responder button and held it in until it chirped 3 times.  I then pressed the button again once and then pressed and held to get to option 1 of menu

3.  I then pressed the unlock button 1 time on the remote which changed the starter to automatic mode.  I then closed the door which took the 5901 out of programming mode.  This

time when I attempted the remote start I get 8 flashes which according to the manual says Neutral safety shutdown.  I know this is not the case as I have already grounded out

the 18-Pin connector H2/18 BLACK/ White which is the Neutral safety input and according to the manual if using an automatic transmission should just be grounded.

It is possible that I have not connected enough required wires but again all I am trying to do is get this to start for now.  Baby steps.  I will continue to add the rest of the

features after I get this working.

I am looking for any help anyone may have on this so please either post or PM me.

Thank you

KJ

Is the Neutral Safety Switch plugged in and set to the ON position?

Did you do a successful Tach Learn?

Are the Vipers D2D jumpers ( back side of brain ) set to the horizontal position?

Is the XK09 flashed with the correct 9.NISS2 V1.05 firmware?

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kreg357 wrote: Is the Neutral Safety Switch plugged in and set to the ON position?  -- I am not 100% sure what you are asking on this question as it is an automatic transmission therefore the (18-pin connector) H2/18 BLACK/ White is only suppose to be grounded which it is.  That connector is plugged into the 5901. Did you do a successful Tach Learn? -- I attempted a tach learn and it appeared to be successful as it did what the instructions stated it should do but of course I cannot confirm this.  Also would this actually cause either the the issues to be affected? Are the Vipers D2D jumpers ( back side of brain ) set to the horizontal position? -- Yes, they came set this way by default and I have not changed them Is the XK09 flashed with the correct 9.NISS2 V1.05 firmware? -- Unknown and I realize this may be an issue however with that said even if I did not have the correct firmware or for that matter even if I did not have the XK09 plugged into the 5901 wouldn't the truck at the very least turn on the accessories while attempting the remote start?  I would think it would at the very least attempt that much but then fail to acutally start since the key bypass wouldn't work.  I am not getting anything to happen.  When I press the remote start button I get 8 flashes.

Thank you for the reply and I will try whatever is needed.

KJ

The Neutral Safety Switch connector is a 2 Pin connector, third connector to the left of the H2 connector.

Here is a link to DEI wiring guide info :  http://www.readyremote.com/main.asp?make=Nissan&model=Titan

This info from DEI :

12volts                      green (40A)  +      ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 3Starter                       brown  +               ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 2   Second Starter          lt. green  +           ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 6   Ignition                      BLACK/ red  +          ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1   Second Ignition         N/A        Third Ignition             N/A        Accessory                  red  +                  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 4   Second Accessory     purple  +             ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5

You can program the Viper Flex relay for Starter2 and connect H3/7 Pink/White to the Titans Light Green

Starter2 wire.  An additional 30/40A SPDT relay would be needed to power the ACC2 Purple wire.  Wire as follows :Relay Pins 86 and 87 to +12v constant thru 20A fuseRelay Pin 30 to Titan ACC2 PurpleRelay Pin 85 to Viper H2/12 Orange wireRelay Pin 87A not used - insulate.

H2/17 Brake Pedal should be connected.  ( RED / green  +  brake switch, white 4 pin plug, pin 2 or black 2 pin plug, pin 2 )

The XK09 should supply the Tach and Door Trigger signals to the Viper via the D2D connection.

Is there any label or marking on the XK09 showing the firmware loaded?  Did it follow the guide during programming?

Soldering is fun!

I will check into that 2 pin nuetral safety switch connector you mentioned.

I will also check about the Relay you mentioned as well.  I wasn't aware of needing one from all the online searches I went through.  Maybe I am just thinking somehting else too.

Does the acutal brake pedal need to be connected to  make this work?  I understand the safety feature of it but I wasn't aware that it is actually needed as it would send 12+ to the 5901 when the brake is pressed thus killing the starter so if this wasn't hooked up it should still attempt to start though correct?  Is my thinking backwards on this?

The back of the XK09 is as follows:

DLPKGMLOT. 161                     H.1 S.1I hope that is what you were wanting me to look for.KJ

Ok I see what you meant by the neutral switch and yes I have it hooked up.  Sorry I forgot to post that originally.  And yes I did check that it was set to ON : )

I went ahead and connected the brake switch and I know it works because I press the brake and attempt the remote start and I get 5 flashes which = (+) Brake shutdown.

Based on the Direcwire link you listed along with the same you typed in I have it configured as follows

12volts                      green (40A)  +      ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 3     -----     H3/2 RED / White (Flex Relay), H3/6 Red Ignition 1 +12V Input, H3/9 RED / Black Accessory/Starter Relay +12V InputStarter                       brown  +               ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 2     -----     H3/4 Violet (+) Starter OutputSecond Starter          lt. green  +           ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 6    -----     (I do not have this hooked up)Ignition                      BLACK/ red  +          ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1    ----- H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 Input/OutputSecond Ignition         N/A        Third Ignition             N/A        Accessory                  red  +                  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 4      -----    H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory OutputSecond Accessory     purple  +             ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5      -----     (I do not have this hooked up)

On the H3 Clip I am not using the Following

H3/5 Green (+) Starter Input (Key Side)H3/7 Pink/White (Flex Relay Output)H3/8 Pink/Black (Flex Relay Input)

I hope that helps

KJ

Unless the XK09 was re-flashed with the NISS2 firmware, you have the DLPKGM firmware that it left the factory with.  That won't work on your Titan.  The only way to know for sure which firmware is loaded is with the XKLoader cable attached.  If you don't have one, call around to the local shops ( BestBuy, too ) and see if someone will be kind enough to flash it for you.  ( Buy them lunch   )

You don't need the Brake connected to test, but if you need to shut down a remote start in a hurry........   During normal operation it must be connected to do the " key takeover ".

I believe Starter2 is very important during cold weather ( Fuel Enrichment ).   You might not need ACC2, all depends exactly what it supplies power to.  Things like A/C, heat and fans are important, while radio, power windows / mirrors are not.

Soldering is fun!

Ok it sounds like my thinking so far has been correct.  I figured I would need to get the module flashed which doesn't really bother me but do you know will it continue giving me 8 flashes until I get the xk09 flashed with the correct firmware or can I just leave it completely disconnected for the time being and at the very least get the starter to act like it wanted to start the truck but it would just fail.  Will it at the very least turn on accessories etc?

I can run down to BBY or local shop here in town that sells and installs viper products and most likely get this flashed.

KJ

DEI lists the 556UW as a transponder bypass method.  That leads me to believe that the truck will remote start if:

1.) All necessary Viper connections are correctly made to the truck. 

2.) The Viper is properly programmed and Tach Learned ( if in Tach Mode ).

3.) A working key is inserted into the ignition switch but not turned. 

Just unplug the D2D harness to the XK09. to temporarily disable it.

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That is exactly what I thought as well and I have tried everything you suggested.

I put the key in and attempted the starter without the xk09 plugged in and I still receive the 8 flashes.  It is possible that my Tachometer has not been learned properly but I would think if that was the case I would get a different error flash but maybe not.

KJ