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holmstj 
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Installed Viper 5501 with DB-All with latest firmware this last weekend. DB-All programmed Finished all wiring, soldered joints and when remote start engaged, I get the response from remote that engine is started but engine did not rotate. Door locks operate fine. Programmed out of mts for automatic. No trouble codes listed. Any thoughts. Current start wire config is viper violet to mdx Yellow, viper pink to mdx pink and db-all pink to mdx pink. Am I missing something.
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no ACC wire?
use a dmm and meter the start wire. if the unit has a green and violet wire for a start kill, make sure the purple is towards the car, and green is towards the key cylinder.
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Thanks Tedmond. Will check break out DMM and have someone else verify the colors. Im colorblind and had someone check my work last week. Maybe he was also colorblind. Good thing aircraft wires are all numbered and no colors to match at all. The db-all and 5501 for mdx does not show a kill hookup however brake and neutral wires exist and are verified with dmm . In D2D mode from what I can tell is that the only two large gauge wires needed for start are pink:(+) ignition 1 input/output and violet: starter output. From the db-all the immobilizer data line ORANGE / black is connected to light green car side immo data and lt green CAN is connected to lt green CAN on vehicle and pink ign input is connected to pink ign input/output on vehicle. out side of power connections and pk lights that all on diagram that I have from DEI. Sound correct?
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Where do you have the red 12v constant wire connected to from the 5501? Also, what happens when you press the remote start button? Does the ignition / acc come on? Can you hear the fuel pump kick on? And finally, what setting do you have the engine sensing on.. true tach, virtual tach, or voltage?
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holmstj 
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The red 12v constant is on the white constant 12v supply located on the ign harness on the mdx. When the remote start is pressed, viper responds that vehicle is started and begins timer countdown. No fuel pump, no parking lights, no rotation, no relays chattering, no ign/acc. Setting is currently set to virtual tach. Tried learning virtual tach and still no joy. Appreciate everyone input so far on this. Anything else to try? Seems like the immobilizer is still active for some reason. Checked continuity on immobilizer line and CAN line to viper and all OK. Door locks and unlocks fine and OEM key start and fob locks work fine. Perplexed I am. Probably something simple...always turns out to be.
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Posted: December 06, 2011 at 7:30 PM / IP Logged  

Dumb question, but...

Viper H3                                                                                                  2008 MDX

H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT                          Pink @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/2 RED / WHITE (+) FUSED (30A) FLEX RELAY                White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT                                  Orange @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/4 VIOLET STARTER OUTPUT                                            Yellow @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/5 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT                    White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUT               Red @ Ignition Switch Harness  *** ACC2 Viper Menu3. Item8, Opt2
H3/7 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A                           Not Used
H3/8 RED / BLACK (+) FUSED (30A) ACC/STARTER IN        White @ Ignition Switch Harness

Soldering is fun!
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Posted: December 06, 2011 at 7:38 PM / IP Logged  
The immobilizer wouldn't prevent the ignition from being activated. it would just crank the car and not start, or start then immediately shut off. So I doubt it is the immobilizer. And it doesn't make sense that the starter is counting down without the car running (it should be verifying the start).
I would recheck all of your ignition wires because something def. isn't right. Also check your ground connection. Where do you have it grounded right now?
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holmstj 
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I used the following vehicle connections from http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/diagrams/printpage.asp?ModelID=203.
Difference, no H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUT since IGN 2 NA and no H3/2 RED / WHITE (+) FUSED (30A) FLEX RELAY since IGN 2 NA. Should be installed?
MDX 2007 -2011
PART COLOR LOCATION
12 VOLT CONSTANT WHITE (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH
STARTER YELLOW (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH
STARTER 2 N/A
IGNITION 1 PINK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH
IGNITION 2 N/A
IGNITION 3 N/A
ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1 ORANGE (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH
ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 2 RED (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH
KEYSENSE N/A
PARKING LIGHTS ( - ) BROWN (-) @ HEADLIGHT SWITCH
PARKING LIGHTS ( + ) GRAY (+)
in DRIVERS KICK, Harness to Rear
of Vehicle
POWER LOCK PINK (TYPE A) @ DRIVERS DOOR LOCK SWITCH
POWER UNLOCK RED (TYPE A) @ DRIVERS DOOR LOCK SWITCH
DOOR TRIGGER GREEN (-)
in DRIVERS KICK, Harness to Rear
of Vehicle
DOMELIGHT SUPERVISION LT. GREEN (-), (Requires #775 Relay)
GREEN 39-PIN PLUG, PIN 9 @
DASH FUSE BOX
TRUNK RELEASE
BROWN and WHITE (Power Tail
gate) Requires #775 Relay, See NOTE
#2
GREEN 21-PIN PLUG, PINS 18 and 6
@ DASH FUSE BOX
SLIDING POWER DOOR N/A
HORN ORANGE (-) @ HORN SWITCH
TACH
A WHITE/ BLUE, BLACK/ RED,
YELLOW, BLUE, RED or BROWN
(AC)
@ Any FUEL-INJECTOR
WAIT TO START LIGHT N/A
BRAKE LT. GREEN (+) @ BRAKE PEDAL SWITCH
FACTORY ALARM DISARM BLUE (-) @ DRIVERS DOOR KEY CYLINDER
ANTI-THEFT
ACURA'S TRANSPONDER
ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM, See NOTE #1
@ IGNITION SWITCH TUMBLER
Again Thanks for all the help
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Posted: December 06, 2011 at 8:58 PM / IP Logged  
The Red AND RED / White wires should go to the 12v constant (WHITE)
The Pink Ignition should go to the Ignition 1 (PINK)
The Pink/White 2nd Ignition should go to the Acc 2 (RED)
   *Make sure you program that output to be 2nd accessory instead of 2nd ignition
The Orange Accessory wire should go to the Acc 1 (ORANGE)
The Purple Starter Wire should go to the Starter wire (YELLOW)
Kenny
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KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
holmstj 
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Thanks guys. Appears that I was confused over the IGN 2 and assumed not needed as NA in 2 separate sources and Viper instructions are not clear on their use . Will hook up the Pink/White and RED / White and give it a go this weekend. You guys and this site rocks! Hope this does it.
Again Thanks,
Jeff
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