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tlane3546 
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Hello everyone. I'm new to the forum and new to installing remote start on vehicles. I'm pretty proficient in wiring and reading schematics so this shouldnt be an issue, however, I have a 5101 Viper remote start and I want to pair it with my 93 Dodge D250 Cummins Turbo Diesel. I have all of the Dodges wiring diagrams and the Viper install sheet. I'm just confused on what wires in the remote start harness i dont need and exactly what ones need to be hooked up and to where. I have power door locks that I'd like to have wired to the Viper system as well. Any help or information is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance,
Travis Lane
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tlane3546 
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Anyone? I can provide the Viper Install sheet if it would help?
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I will give it a go.  But there are some variations on the Viper models and their harnesses.  I'm not positive I have the

correct listing for your truck.  I assuming a D250 is a rear wheel drive ( 4X2 ) Ram pickup ( as opposed to the W series
4X4's ).  Obviously, you will want to verify all this info with a DMM.

H1/1  RED / WHITE  (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT Not used

H1/2  RED  (+)12v CONSTANT INPUT         Pink @ ignition switch harness
H1/3  BROWN  (-) HORN OUTPUT BLACK/ RED (-)  @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS 
H1/4  WHITE/ BROWN  LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE   Not used
H1/5  BLACK  (-) CHASSIS GROUND          Chassis Ground
H1/6  VIOLET  (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT* Not used         
H1/7  BLUE  (-) FACTORY HORN INPUT** BLACK/ RED (-)  @ STEERING COLUMN HARNESS 
H1/8  GREEN  (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT* YELLOW (-)  @ DRIVERS DOOR PIN SWITCH 
H1/9  BLACK/ WHITE  (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT   YELLOW (-)  @ DRIVERS DOOR PIN SWITCH 
H1/10  WHITE/ BLUE  (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACT      Not used
H1/11  WHITE   PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT      **set Viper for (+)   BLACK / YELLOW (+)  @ 18 Pin BLUE Plug, at FIREWALL  or @ Headlight switch
H1/12  ORANGE  (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT Not used

H2/1  LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK  (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM       Not used

H2/2  LIGHT GREEN / WHITE  (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM Not used
H2/3  WHITE/ VIOLET  (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT   Not used
H2/4  VIOLET/BLACK  (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT  Not used
H2/5  WHITE/ BLACK  (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT    Not used
H2/6  LIGHT BLUE  (-) 200mA 2ND UNLOCK OUTPUT     Not used
H2/7  GRAY/BLACK  (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   Not used  *** use fixed 15 second delay

H3/1  PINK  IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT DARK BLUE (+)  @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS          

H3/2  RED / WHITE  (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2           Red @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/3  ORANGE  ACCESSORY OUTPUT   BLACK/ ORANGE (+)  @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
H3/4  VIOLET  STARTER OUTPUT         YELLOW (+)  @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS 
H3/5  RED  (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT           Red @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS   
H3/6  PINK/WHITE  IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT 30     BLACK/ WHITE (+)  @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/7  PINK/BLACK  FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side   Not used
H3/8  RED / BLACK  (+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER   Pink @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

1  BLACK/ WHITE  (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT        Chassis ground if auto trans

2  VIOLET/WHITE  TACHOMETER INPUT         ???  Don't see any diesel listings
3  BROWN  (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT     BROWN / RED or WHITE/ TAN (+)  @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
4  GRAY  N/O or N/C (-) HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUT     Viper supplied hood pin switch
5  BLUE/WHITE  (-) 200 mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOG       Not used

1  PINK/WHITE  (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT   Not used

2  ORANGE  (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   Not used
3  VIOLET  (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT         Not used
4  PINK  (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT           Not used
5  BLUE  (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT  Not used

1  BLUE  (+) LOCK (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT       Use a Direct 451M door lock module or

2  EMPTY  NOT USED  use relays and follow this Type C (rev) diagram :
3  GREEN  (-) LOCK (+) UNLOCK OUTPUT    https://www.the12volt.com/doorlocks/page3.asp#5w
Lock wire info :
POWER LOCK          ORANGE / VIOLET (TYPE C)      BEHIND GLOVEBOX, BLACK Plug   or DKP
POWER UNLOCK     PINK/VIOLET (TYPE C) BEHIND GLOVEBOX, BLACK Plug   or DKP

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tlane3546 
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This is precisely what i was looking for. Thank you so much. I have the diesel tach provision wire, Grey/Light Blue. and yes the D250 Ram is just a 2WD and the W250 is the 4x4.
Let me ask this, the harnesses that have no wires to hook to, do i still have to plug those into the remote start module? Its a dumb question I know. And I'm sure i know the answer to it already.
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Used to have a 1977 W150 Power Wagon.  93 dodge cummins remote start -- posted image.

No such thing as a dumb question.  93 dodge cummins remote start -- posted image.  Yes, if a harness has no needed wires, leave it off.  Unused wires in a harness can be cut to 2" and bundled neatly or even de-pinned / removed.  Keeping the install neat is important.

Do you have any info on a Wait-To-Start wire?  That could work better than a fixed 15 second delay.

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tlane3546 
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Yes i do, the wait-to-start wire is Dark GREEN / WHITE. DO i just hook the Grey/Black directly to this wire? It says something about a resistor in the install sheet that came with
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Posted: November 18, 2013 at 6:05 AM / IP Logged  
The Viper is looking for a (-) input signal on it's WTS wire.  Depending on the vehicle brand ( Ford, Dodge, GM ) and the engine, the WTS signal type varies.  Sometimes a diode is also necessary.  Follow the install sheet, but if it does work properly you can always use a fixed time delay. 
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tlane3546 
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Posted: November 18, 2013 at 8:23 PM / IP Logged  
Excellent, thank you for all your help. I will be tackling this this weekend. I appreciate everything and I'll let you know how it goes.
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tlane3546 
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93 dodge cummins remote start -- posted image.
here is the schematic of the wait to start circuit. I'm not sure if its positive or negative?
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Posted: November 18, 2013 at 9:35 PM / IP Logged  
Can't tell from the diagram.  The sure way would be to put a DMM on the wire and see what happens during a start-up.  Maybe another forum member has prior experience with this model truck and can help out.
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