2011 camry with cm6200 and blade al

I am looking at installing a remote start system in a 2011 Camry XLE with the "O or dot" key (40-bit w/o PTS). The vehicle is stock. It does not have any aftermarket accessories installed (i.e. no aftermarket security system or radio). The R/S system will consist of a Compustart CM6200 with an Idatalink BLADE-AL. I like this system because it is clean and compact all in one system (no need for separate R/S controller and bypass). I'm going to use the Compustar RF-2WG9-SP remotes. I've been reviewing the installation manuals for both the BLADE-AL (BLADE-AL(DL)-TL1-EN, Doc # 13832) and the CM6200 (CM6200_InstallV.3). I am wondering if I can get a little feedback/confirmation on the wiring requirements. Starting with the BLADE-AL installation manual, there are about 5 wiring connections from the BLADE-AL wiring harness. I've attached the wiring diagram from the BLADE-AL manual: The connection information for the BLADE-AL wiring harness is stated as follows in the BLADE-AL manual. The information is listed in the order of: "BLADE PIN#-BLADE WIRE COLOR-ITEM-FACTORY CONNECTOR INFO-FACTORY PIN POSITION-FACTORY WIRE COLOR-LOCATION". Pin 1 – Gray/Red – TXCT – 7 Pin Connector – Pin 5 – Red – Immobilizer (Ignition switch per diagram) Pin 2 – GREEN/ Red – CODE – 7 Pin Connector – Pin 4 – Brown – Immobilizer (Ignition switch per diagram) Pin 5 – ORANGE / Black – GROUND INPUT (-) – Only if I don't use a Hood Pin Pin 6 – BROWN / Red – CANH – 16 Pin Connector – Pin 6 – Black – OBDII Pin 16 – BROWN / Yellow – CANL – 16 Pin Connector – Pin 14 – White – OBDII Following is a picture of the wiring callout from the BLADE-AL manual. My next questions are in regards to the actual CM6200 wiring. Following is a picture of the wiring requirements from the CM6200 manual: In regards to the CM6200 wiring diagram, following is my understanding of the additional wiring needed beyond the BLADE-AL wiring harness. My questions here have to do with getting direction on where to best find some of the factory wires to tie into and if I need the specific connection or not. Please feel free to correct the factory wire location listed below if I don't have it correct. The information is listed in order of "CM6200 CONNECTOR PIN#-WIRE COLOR-DESCRIPTION-LOCATION TO LAND WIRE (FACTORY WIRE COLOR-FACTORY PIN#)". I'll go over it for each connector: CN1 (6P Power Connector): Question #1: What color and pin is the starter wire coming from the factory ignition harness to tie into the starter relay? Pin 1 – White – (+) 12V Accessory – Ignition Harness (Wire Color? – Pin?) Pin 2 – Yellow – (+) 12V Starter – Prewired to anti-grind/starter-kill relay in CM6200 kit Pin 3 – Green #1 – 12V Ignition – Ignition Harness (Wire Color? – Pin?) Pin 3 – Green #2 – 12V Ignition – Prewired to anti-grind/starter-kill relay in CM6200 kit Pin 4 – Black – Ground (-) – Somewhere on firewall with a good ground Pin 5 – Red #1 – 12V Constant – Location? – Wire Color? – Pin? Pin 5 – Red #2 – 12V Constant – Location? – Wire Color? – Pin? Pin 6 – GREEN / WHITE – Parking Light Output (+) – Not Used based on BLADE-AL diagram stating I need to wire the Parking Light Output (-) for my vehicle. CN2 (20P Input/Output Connector): Question #2: Do I need to wire the "2nd Ignition/Starter/Accessory" relay harness if I'm not using it to power a secondary starter/ignition/accessory or is this optional? Question #3: Where can I find the Parking Light Switch location or at least the location of the Parking Light Switch wire to tie into? Pin 1 – Blue – Output to Starter Kill (-) – Prewired to anti-grind/start-kill relay in CM6200 kit Pin 2 – ORANGE / Black – Parking Light Reminder (-) Input – Do I need this? Pin 3 – GREEN / WHITE – Parking Light Output (-) – Where is Parking Light Switch location? Pin 4 – Light Blue – E Brake – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 5 – RED / Black - 2nd Starter Output (-) – Do I need this? Pin 6 – Light Blue/White – Brake 12V Input (+) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 7 – Green – 2nd Ignition Output (-) – Do I need this? Pin 8 – Violet/Black – Trunk Trigger Input (-)– Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 9 – WHITE/ Black – 2nd Accessory Output (-) – Do I need this? Pin 10 – RED / White – Door Trigger Input (+/-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 11 – Black – Status/GWR Output (-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 12 – BROWN / White – Key Sense/Glow Plug – Do I need this? Pin 13 – Orange – Rearm Output (-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 14 – Pink – Slave/Closed Input (-) – Do I need this? Pin 15 – ORANGE / White – Disarm Output (-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 16 – Yellow/Black – Engine Sense/Tach Input – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 17 – White – Horn Output (-) – Do I need this? Pin 18 – Gray/Black – Hood Pin Input (-) – Does my Camry have a factory Hood Pin? If not, I may install the Hood Pin that comes in the CM6200 kit. Otherwise I'll ground Pin 5 on the BLADE-AL harness. Pin 19 – Violet – Aux1 Output (-) – Do I need this? Pin 20 – Brown – 12V Siren Output (+) – Do I need this? CN4 (6P Door Lock Module): My understanding is that all of these connections are covered by the BLADE-AL. Is this correct?

OK.  I like your through preliminary work on this project.  It truely is "all in the planning".

The CM6200 and Blade AL is a great combination.  Very compact and reliable.   The Blade AL needs to flashed with the DL TL1

firmware while inserted into the CM6200.  This requires the ADS USB cable and access to the Flash section of their WEB site.When you do this, it will also update the firmware on the CM6200 ( if necessary ) and allow you to set the CM6200 programmingoptions.

For vehicle wiring, here are some sources :

Here is a link to Bulldog Security :  http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.aspHere is a link to Ready Remote :  http://www.readyremote.com/main.aspHere is a link to AudioVox :  http://techservices.audiovox.com/AccessRequest.aspx    Sign-up & info is free.

Your next step is to download all the wire guide info you can from as many sources as possible.  Compare them as there

probably will be differences.  Consolidate everything on a cheat sheet.  You will use this as your guide during the install.

The Blade w/TL1 will handle a bunch of things for you.  They are listed on Page 2 of the install guide.  The Type 1 Wiring Diagram

gives you most of the rest of the wiring.  You car has a few exceptions in it.

You will notice that the wiring guides list two Starter wires, two Ignition wires and one Accessory wire at the main ignition switch

harness.  You should power all these wires separately.  The CM6200 only has one of each at the CN1 connector and an extra 30/40 Amp Bosch style relay, with harness, for one additional ignition circuit.  You can use this for the Starter2 circuit and buy an additional relay for the Ignition2 circuit.  The control for these external relays will be the CN2 Pin 5 and Pin 7.

Pin 1 – White – (+) 12V Accessory –         white  +  ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 2

Pin 2 – Yellow – (+) 12V Starter – blue  +  ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 7 Pin 3 – Green #1 – 12V Ignition – yellow  +  ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 6  Pin 4 – Black – Ground (-) –          chassis groundPin 5 – Red #1 – 12V Constant – black (30A)  +    ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 5 Pin 5 – Red #2 – 12V Constant – black (30A)  +    ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 5 Pin 6 – GREEN / WHITE – Parking Light Output (+) –      Not Used

Pin 1 – Blue – Output to Starter Kill (-) – Prewired to anti-grind/start-kill relay in CM6200 kit

Pin 2 – ORANGE / Black – Parking Light Reminder (-) Input –    Not used ( used w/manual trans )Pin 3 – GREEN / WHITE – Parking Light Output (-) –        black (-)  @ headlight switch, white 20 pin plug, pin 18 Pin 4 – Light Blue – E Brake –           Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 5 – RED / Black - 2nd Starter Output (-) –   Use with supplied extra relay for Starter2Pin 6 – Light Blue/White – Brake 12V Input (+) –        Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 7 – Green – 2nd Ignition Output (-) –       Used with additional relay for IGN2 Pin 8 – Violet/Black – Trunk Trigger Input (-)–   Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 9 – WHITE/ Black – 2nd Accessory Output (-) –       not usedPin 10 – RED / White – Door Trigger Input (+/-) –          Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 11 – Black – Status/GWR Output (-) –      Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 12 – BROWN / White – Key Sense/Glow Plug –         Not UsedPin 13 – Orange – Rearm Output (-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 14 – Pink – Slave/Closed Input (-) –          Not usedPin 15 – ORANGE / White – Disarm Output (-) – Covered by BLADE-AL Pin 16 – Yellow/Black – Engine Sense/Tach Input –    Covered by BLADE-AL          Do Tach Learn processPin 17 – White – Horn Output (-) –     white to black (-)  @ horn switch      OptionalPin 18 – Gray/Black – Hood Pin Input (-) –      test for Factory Hood Pin Pin 19 – Violet – Aux1 Output (-) –     Not UsedPin 20 – Brown – 12V Siren Output (+) –        Not Used

Ignition2 relay wiring

Relay Pin 85 to CM6200 CN2, Pin 7, GreenRelay Pin 86 and 87 to Camry  black (30A) (+)    ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 5 Relay Pin 30 to Camry IGN2, pink (+)  ignition switch, white 8 pin plug, pin 1 Relay Pin 87a       not used

Here is a photo of the Headlight connector in the steering column of a 2011 RAV4 :

It is a White 20 Pin connector but the Parking Light wire at Pin 18 is White, your Camry's wire will be Black.

If you want photos of these wires, Fortin has a optional service called WireColor that should provide pictures of most

of these wires.  They change a $5 per vehicle fee.  Here is a link :  http://wirecolor.com/en/

Soldering is fun!

Thanks kreg357.  The information clears up a lot of questions.  The links to the wiring guides are great.  I pulled out the Haynes manual for the Camry as another source, but they put such little useful information in those regarding wiring. 

I plan on adding fuses to the relay wiring (to wires on relay pins 85 & 30).  Do you have a suggestion as to the size of the fuses needed for each relay (primary, secondary starter, secondary ignition)?  All 30A?

Primary Relay Pin 86 (Ignition Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Primary Relay Pin 30 (Starter Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Secondary Igniition Relay Pin 86/87 (12V+ Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Secondary Ignition Relay Pin 30 (Iginition#2 Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Secondary Starter Relay Pin 86/87 (12V+ Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Secondary Starter Relay Pin 30 (Starter#2 Wire) Fuse Size: ?

Also, one more concensus question.  I will test all wires to properly identify each wire for it's use.  Once I have identified and labeld them, I will start the physical installation phase.  My question: Is it good practice to remove the negative (-) connection on the battery during stripping and soldering of the wires?  I haven't typically done this in the past, but then again most of my projects have been "plug-n-play".

Just a slight correction to my post above.  My second line should say "I plan on adding fuses to the relay wiring (to wires on relay pins 86/87 & 30)."  Not "85 & 30".

Re Relay fusing :  The +12V constant supply at the Camry's main ignition connector is rated at 30 Amps.  I would check the wire

gauge of the Starter2 and Ignition2 wires and fuse both relay's accordingly.  Using the supplied / pre-wired wired relay and replacing its' 30 Amp fuse with a more appropriate sized fuse ( 10A ? ).  Same for the additional relay, on its' Pin 86 / 87 feed.  I don't see any need to fuse the Pin 30 output side.

While the CM6200 system is not an alarm system ( no siren ) and you are using the (-) Parking Light wire, you might check for

a very thick wire at the front of the dash fuse box.  If this wire is there, consider splitting the R/S systems load between thesetwo +12V constant wires ( fuse box & ignition harness ).

As for disconnecting the vehicles battery during install, well, it all has to do with the vehicle and your comfort level.   Most installer's

never disconnect the battery during the install.   Of course, doing it like that, you should not disconnect any connectors ( otherthan the main ignition connector, if necessary ) and you must be very careful while making the connections ( not shorting anythingto chassis ground ).   Depending on the vehicle, disconnecting the vehicles battery will lose the radio presets, radio security code( if used ) and set a "Not Ready" in the computer, which can cause a failure/delay/return with some state's emissions inspections.

If you don't mind the radio reset and aren't getting a state inspection for a few weeks, by all means, disconnect the battery after

you have found and marked all the necessary wires.

Soldering is fun!

Thanks for the suggestion on splitting the 12V+ supplies. I did have some concern using the 12V+ supply at the ignition switch for all of the loads. Could be quite a current draw on that one supply wire. I'll probably use the 12V+ supply at the ignition switch for the CM6200-CN1 Connector-Pin 5. Then I'll use another 12V+ supply (fuse box wire) for the Starter2 and Ignition2 relays. Curiosity question: why does the CM6200 use the two red wires for the 12V+ at CN1-Pin 5? Is it that the potential current draw would be to much on one wire, so they split it across two wires? Or is the second wire a possible circuit for a back up battery? Since the two red wires both land on Pin 5, they must be common inside of the CM6200. In regards to the fusing, my Haynes manual shows a 7.5A fuse on the Starter2 circuit. Definitely less than the 30A fuse that comes on the relay harness with the CM6200. I'll check the Ignition2 circuit and wire gauge to size that fuse. One more question to kreg357. When you commented on splitting the 12V+ loads, you stated "While the CM6200...and you are using the (-) Parking Light wire..." Just curious as to what is unique about the (-) Parking Light wire vs any other (-) wire since you made note of the (-) Parking Light wire.

Re (-) Parking Light :  Other than the ignition wires, the only other possible big load on the CM6200 is a (+) Parking Light wire.  On some vehicles, they get near 8 Amps.  Using a low current (-) Parking Light wire makes the overall load much less.

Re CM6200 CN1-5 :  Each Red wire is of sufficient gauge to handle 30 Amps.  Once they get to the metal connector and the CM6200 internal bus, it is 60 Amp capable.  Just saves on plug size and number of connector pins.  That does explain why the outputs are also fused.

If the 2011 Camry is similar to the 2011 RAV4 pictured below, there might be a few 7.5 Amp wires in the harness.

Soldering is fun!