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adso2004 
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Posted: December 28, 2007 at 9:43 AM / IP Logged  
im doing a mod to a korg kaoss pad and putting it it a guitar.
switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.
its been done before by loads of people. but the mod i want hasnt.
the screen is lifted off the pad and the sensor wires are extened via a DB9 cable.
the 4 wires can be seen here
switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.
i cant run an led off the pad cos its not advised the add to the voltage and mess around with the signal
what i want to know is
1) since the 4 wires are sensor wires and not power wires can i used a relay to switch between 2 LEDs one for when the pad is being touched (ON) and one for when its not (OFF)
and
2) what sort of relay would i need?
much appricated
hotwaterwizard 
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Posted: December 29, 2007 at 9:55 PM / IP Logged  
Yes I think a Relay could be used. I need a picture or a Diagram. The ones posted do not work.
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tedmond 
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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 9:44 AM / IP Logged  
sounds possible, just repost ur pictures, use photobucket or soethiong that is reliable.
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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 1:46 PM / IP Logged  

The only issue I see here is:

1. LEDs use less current then most relays

2. Most relays are electromagnetic - meaning they will introduce noise in to the system when they latch/unlatch

If you are deadset on using a relay you'll need, at a minimum either a solid state relay or a reed relay.  Both relays are known for having small current draw and neither are electromagnetic so they will be less noisey.

You're best bet would be to just use some standard transistors.  Transistors can act like an electronic switch, but require virtually no current to turn them on (an even better option would be a mosfet, but most likely is not needed in this case).  Once you have the transistors in place you can use them to fire a SPDT electromagnetic relay with reliability and virtually no induced noise.

Kevin Pierson
adso2004 
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Posted: January 02, 2008 at 6:52 PM / IP Logged  
sounds like you know what ya on about, being a novice to this im not sure of what sort of curcit i would need to build
i will post a pic of the set up i have and if you could fill in the blanks how a transistor and a relay would help the solution that would be brill thanks
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switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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hotwaterwizard 
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For a small load like an LED you could use a 2N3906 instead of the MJ2955. Donit forget t6he Resistor on the LED

switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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hotwaterwizard 
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Oh Duuu Here is a circuit that uses only one Transistor.

Use 2N2222 Transistor.

switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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^^^ That base resistor (100Kohms) is a bit high for my liking.  With a beta of 100 the transistor will not be able to outut enough current to run the resistor at the specified value (21.4mA).  With a beta of 100,  the transistor will only be able to output a total of 12mA.

I would recomend a base resistor of 10K.  This will pull, at most, 1.2mA of current from the signal - a neglible amount.  However, with the 1.2mA and a 75 beta (more likely what you'll get with the 2N2222 in this voltage/current range) you'll see a max of 90mA on the output - more then enough to run the LED at 21.4mA.

The important thing here to consider, though, is the current requirement of the LED you choose to use.  This could effect the collector resistor value (560 ohms) which in turn could effect the base resistor.

Kevin Pierson
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Why use a transistor at all? Just use the LED and Resistor!

switching leds with relay on sensor wire -- posted image.

John DeRosa (Hotwaterwizard)
Stockton California
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