viper 5901. 2010 f150 xlt

Well, wired everything up and can't get the DBALL to program. It Flashes constant red when I put the first key in and turn it to "on". The online pale I purchased from said they would load the latest firmware. Either they didn't or something is wired incorrectly. I verified my wiring coming off the DBALL (Can Hi and Lo, Ignition, RX and TX) and they are all good. I'll run to Car Toys tomorrow and get them to flash, then try again as I didn't order the cable, lesson learned there.

DRIVING ME NUTS!! Still won't work. Took DBALL to Car Toys and they verified appropriate programming and even flashed it again with newest Ford firmware. When I follow the DBALL instructions for D2D and get to where I put the first key in the igtion and turn to "on" the DBALL LED flashes constant red, indication "CAN status not supported" How can that be? Key is a 40 bit, has an 'S' on it. DBALL is supposed to support 2010 F150. Jumpers on Viper are Horizontal. Also tried W2W by adding the connections for Brake Input, Tach Input, Door Status, GWR and power/ground on the DBAALL/Viper connection to what is listed below, same thing happened when trying to program DBALL module. Here is what I have: VIPER - Truck H3/1 - WHITE/ Orange at ignition H3/2 - NU H3/3 - PURPLE / Green at ignition H3/4 - Blue/White cut (connected to car side) H3/5 - Blue/White cut (connected to plug/key side) H3/6 - Battery H3/7 - NU H3/8 - NU H3/9 - Battery H1 Red - batterh H1 Brown - siren H1 Black - Chassis ground H1 white - PURPLE / White @ SJB, Pin 13 on Plug E Viper Door Unlock/Lock Harness Blue - PURPLE / Gray @ SJB (Pin 4) Green - Grey / YELLOW @ SJB (Pin 17) Hood Pin switch wired, functions properly NSS wired and in "on" position" DBALL HSCAN High - Pin# 6 on OBD port HSCAN Low - Pin # 14 on OBD Port TX - Pin #3 on PATS at ignition RX - Pin # 4 on PATS at Ignition Ignition - Pin #1 on PATS at ignition Please help!

Just for grins, try reversing the HSCAN wires and then do the programming process.

To go completely W2W, add these connections and disconnect the D2D harness:

Viper H2/10 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT to DBALL 10 Pin plug Blue/White at Pin 10.DBALL 14 Pin plug Red wire at pin 13 to +12V.DBALL 14 Pin plug Black wire at pin 14 to ground.

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Well, I did try switching both the HSCAN wires and the TX/RX wires, independent of each other in D2D, didn't work. I also did have the three wires you mention above hooked up when trying W2W, still a no go. I'll go outside real quick and try switching the HSCAN wires wile in W2W, I never tried that.

OK, just tried W2W with the connections mentioned above, same thing. Tried both combos of HSCAN wires also. D2D harness was not plugged in. Jumpers are horizontal on Viper. Ive checked the PATS wires and connections from the DBALL to the PATS plug over and over, they're all good. What else do you think it could be??

The DBALL isn't seeing the HSCAN signal.  Not sure why.  You could just use the DBALL for the transponder

bypass function only and hardwire the rest.

You can hard-wire the Tach, Brakes and Door Trigger(s) from the F-150 directly to the Viper.  Don't connect the HSCAN wires

and just use the DBALL for the transponder bypass.  The RED flashes at Step 4 are OK so just continue programming with the second key observing the 5 second rule. Should work in either D2D or W2W.

RX = Pin 4 = Yellow/Orange

TX = Pin 3 = Violet/Gray

Verify the Pin 1 Ignition signal.

Everything should be soldered....

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Well, before I go and do this, I did buy the DBALL for the simplicity of install. Everything is soldered. Is there a way to test the HSCAN hi/low w/a DMM? Maybe the DBALL harness is mispinned and taking the two signals to the wrong spot at the DBALL?

Never tried testing the "CAN" signals with a DMM, but even looking

at them with an o'scope doesn't tell you too much. 

Agreed, not using the HSCAN defeats the purpose of the DBALL and

the ease it provides by supplying the Brake, Tach and Status signals.Compare DBALL pin location and wire color to the install diagram.Perhaps a call to DEI Tech Support is the best option.

As mentioned, I am not a user ( or fan ) of the DBALL.  No other

module manufacturer uses the Ford HSCAN with their products for your truck.  Perhaps another forum member has used the DBALL on the 2010 F-150 and can add some input.  For the ones that I did,I used "the tried and true" Directed 1100F or iDatalink ADS TB w/TB FM firmware and hard-wired everything else.

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I did call DEI prior to this entire install for a few questions, they said they would not give tech support to a non-authorized dealer/installer (which I am clearly not :) Was I mis-informed? I'm going to do everything I can to utilize the simplicity of the device, maybe try a new one and see if this one is a dud, prior to hardwiring. Is there any way that something wiht the actual Viper could be wired incorrectly and still elicit the error when trying to program the DBALL? I didn't think it could, but thought I'd ask.

kreg357 wrote: Never tried testing the "CAN" signals with a DMM, but even looking at them with an o'scope doesn't tell you too much.  Agreed, not using the HSCAN defeats the purpose of the DBALL and the ease it provides by supplying the Brake, Tach and Status signals. Compare DBALL pin location and wire color to the install diagram. Perhaps a call to DEI Tech Support is the best option. As mentioned, I am not a user ( or fan ) of the DBALL.  No other module manufacturer uses the Ford HSCAN with their products for your truck.  Perhaps another forum member has used the DBALL on the 2010 F-150 and can add some input.  For the ones that I did, I used "the tried and true" Directed 1100F or iDatalink ADS TB w/TB FM firmware and hard-wired everything else.

Yes, as you found out, DEI Tech Support is only for authorized dealers. 

From what I can tell from the DBALL install guide, the actual programming could be done

without any connections to the Viper.  As long as you were in W2W mode and had justthe Red and Black wires ( +12V & ground ) connected from the 14 Pin plug ( and the 5wires, shown in solid black, connected to the truck ), it should program.

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