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brivalen

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Posted: April 09, 2004 at 8:24 PM / IP Logged

I have never really inderstood this - unless of course you tow the car or have the keys.

For instance, I have a 04 Jeep Grand with a Clifford 3.5RS - there are 3 security measures - factory alarm, sentry key and 3.5RS. How in the hell can someone hot wire my car in a minute. And how do they bypass the key - that has got to be the hardest part. Even cars just just have factory starter kills/transponder keys - how the hell do they do it? My car is on the top 10 most stolen and I dont think you can buy a newer grand WITHOUT a sentry key.

Anyway just curious and bored -

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Posted: April 09, 2004 at 10:25 PM / IP Logged

Tow truck

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JWorm

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I would estimate about 50-75% of the newer GC's come with the Sentry key. And probably about half come with the factory alarm.

If I could read a service manual for the vehicle, I could probably figure out how to bypass the transponder. I just have never had the need to steal one before.

jimmeezgolfvr6

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Posted: April 10, 2004 at 2:48 AM / IP Logged

the fact that you've installed a remote start on a vehicle that has some form of factory immobilization system means that you've already compromised it somewhat. although it's true that your factory immobilizer is only by-passed during the remote start sequence, the fact that the it can be by-passed at all means that someone can manually trigger those components and hot-wire your car, right? we all know how to do it, since that's the stuff we're installing in the first place!

nonetheless, it would take quite the wizard to do that in a minute.....unless he's the one who installed it in the first place.

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brivalen

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Posted: April 10, 2004 at 9:42 AM / IP Logged

yeah but when we bypass a car we have a huge advantage - we either have the key, or have 2 of the keys to program somesort of bypass. But when you program that bypass the whole point is that you already have access to the car and keys etc.

Also- i dont think ive ever seen a 99+ grand cherokee without sentry and without the alarm - im not talking the whole mopar alarm - just the horn honker when the doors are opened. I take that back - bottom level laredos dont have the blinking red light on them.

But still - i dont get how any of them get stolen

markcars

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Posted: April 10, 2004 at 10:14 AM / IP Logged

Like what Jeff(Velocity Motors) said above, using a Tow Truck is the easiest way the crooks can do it. I know some friends whose neighbour's BMW was stolen like that at night, and no alarm went off. If you have a level/tilt-sensor attached to your alarm, at least it will go off when the car is being lifted or tilted. Plus if you really want to safeguard your car, do like what I did: put a camera pointing to your car with motion sensor masking an area that records only when someone is in or around the area of your car.

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Posted: April 11, 2004 at 9:53 PM / IP Logged

I've been hearing claims of passlock 2 car/trucks going missing. One mechanic claims that you can use a magnetised screw driver once you remove the cylinder. Don't think so. Another says use a special box that ties in under the dash, but without an original key/s and programming that shouldn't work either. There is only one way to drive the car away without the key, but the car has restiricted performance.( Tranny won't shift, reducded engine performance.)

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Passlock is easy to get around. Don't know about the magnetized screw driver but if the mech in the key controlled by magnitism then it is possible.

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If someone had access to a manufacturer specific scan tool(e.g. GM's Tech II) I'm pretty sure they can plug it into the diagnostic port and tell the computer to enable fuel and spark without receiving the transponder or resistor signal. You'd still have to pull the key cylinder to unlock the steering column though.

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CutDog504

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Posted: April 12, 2004 at 2:00 AM / IP Logged

I'm not 100% sure, but I've been told that Passlock can be disabled by pulling a fuse. Don't know if there is any truth to this or not, but a guy once told that there is a fuse for the passlock that is not labeled, or else its labels "accy" or something. I know OnStar can be disabled by pulling a fuse, I've seen it done. So right there, a theif can disable your tracking device.

Personally, I don't care how many anti-theft devices my car comes from the factory with, I'm always gonna have an alarm with a pager and starter kill!

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