car wont start with key

I can apply 12v to the starter wire the same way turning the key would and still wont crank.

If it starts with the remote start I would check to be sure the starter wire is connected into the plug that leads to the ign switch, test to see if you have power comming from the switch.

Yea but like I said when I turn the key to start I still get 12v at the starter wire under the days

The vats system you have will NOT crank if resistance is wrong-- you will know this by the theft light being on on the instrument cluster-- then you have to wait 4 minutes to try again--- Is your theft light on??? when trying to start?? and stays on for 4 minutes??   Put the right resistor across those two white wires to be sure your key pellet sensing is the problem..Brcidd - Engineer That Does Remote Starter Installs on the side.

No theft light.

Ok i have a security light that is on steady now that I have been messing around.  Now it I put my key in the ign I should see the resistanse of the key down under the dash on the wires under the orange loom.  Should I see the resistance between the two wires?  So I should be able to unplug the harnes and put my meeter there and see the resistance when I put my key in the ign.  Do I have to turn the key to run or start or should I see it as soon as I put the key in???

No doodie so I put the key in line with the two wires that go to the ecm and put my other key in the ign and fires right up.  Yea I spent all day and got somewehre  THANKS ALL FOR YOR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1