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loneranger 
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Posted: January 07, 2009 at 9:07 PM / IP Logged  

.. not to rain on anyone's parade, but a canuter valve would have solved this issue, if it had been installed properly.

ckeeler 
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um yea whatever. right along with a doohickey and a thing-a-ma--jig too huh?
loneranger 
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ckeeler wrote:
um yea whatever. right along with a doohickey and a thing-a-ma--jig too huh?

Hey, if it works...?

Note: I'm just trying to add a little humor here and there.

chriswallace187 
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ckeeler wrote:
um yea whatever. right along with a doohickey and a thing-a-ma--jig too huh?
No, a doohickey is only used when you need the install to be weathertight. And a think-a-ma-jig is for European cars. The canooter valve is clearly the right component for this situation, unless the car's a GT hatchback (you know the ones with the permanently sealed muffler bearings that you don't have to grease every oil change).
On a more serious note, Unclemike1, if the guy you talked to is a sales person, service manager, etc. I'm not really surprised that he didn't know diode isolation or auto light shutdown. Hell, most installers I've ever dealt with (and I don't mean just the DIYers on this forum) don't have a clue how relays or diodes work and will not ever install them without having either a diagram or an experienced installer walking them through it.
But in this case, given the professional reputation of the shop I'm not sure why the guy you talked to didn't just go ask another installer if it could be done. Or call Chris Luongo up...Chris is possibly the best security/remote start guy on this forum.
99 times out of a hundred a shop can get away with just telling the customer that there's no way to make the remote start do the following:
  • disarm the factory alarm
  • relock the doors after shutdown
  • cancel the RAP/radio/autolamps
  • activate the rear defogger
  • integrate with an aftermarket alarm without requiring the user to manually disarm prior to remote starting
  • avoid slightly grinding the starter or taking multiple tries to start
  • bypass the immobilizer without sacrificing one of the vehicle's keys
  • flash the parking lights
  • shut down automatically when you hit the brake
Either that, or they can charge extra for any of those things. I'm probably exaggerating slightly, but I shudder to think at what shops do to sell remote starts for $99 installed.
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loneranger 
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chriswallace187 wrote:
ckeeler wrote:
um yea whatever. right along with a doohickey and a thing-a-ma--jig too huh?
No, a doohickey is only used when you need the install to be weathertight. And a think-a-ma-jig is for European cars. The canooter valve is clearly the right component here.

LOL! OLD SCHOOL!

loneranger 
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chriswallace187 wrote:
... 99 times out of a hundred a shop can get away with just telling the customer that there's no way to make the remote start do the following:
  • disarm the factory alarm
  • relock the doors after shutdown
  • cancel the RAP/radio/autolamps
  • activate the rear defogger
  • integrate with an aftermarket alarm without requiring the user to manually disarm prior to remote starting
  • avoid slightly grinding the starter or taking multiple tries to start
  • bypass the immobilizer without sacrificing one of the vehicle's keys
  • flash the parking lights
  • shut down automatically when you hit the brake

So true.

Mike M2 
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ckeeler wrote:
Mike M2 wrote:

As for the autolight situation, Pulsing the door trigger won't work as it will trigger the alarm when it shuts down. In this case, the relay is the best option for turning them off...

I wouldn't be upset about the way it was installed, an easy mistake the way it triggers the alarm.

Mike, Mike, Mike.........my earlier post about adding diodes on the actual OE wires then puting the alarm trigger wire between is why you can just pulse the wire and not set off the alarm. you put the pulse after shut down on the other side of the diode from the trigger wire for the alarm! add on alarm and remote start problem - Page 3 -- posted image.

you dont need a realy!!

I stand corrected!! :)

and i still say adding the diodes is not a bad idea either.

and besides, if a guy just wanted not to do all 4 wires that way........fine.........just do the one wire your gonna pulse after shutdown with the diode installed like i described. it wont trigger the alarm.

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ckeeler 
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chriswallace187 wrote:
 

No, a doohickey is only used when you need the install to be weathertight. And a think-a-ma-jig is for European cars. The canooter valve is clearly the right component for this situation, unless the car's a GT hatchback (you know the ones with the permanently sealed muffler bearings that you don't have to grease every oil change).

I dunno, i typically just use a WHAT-CHYA-MA-CALL-IT for every situation regardless.

Unclemike1 
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I guess the only solution is to stop by the shop with a hand writen diagram and tell them I want it done or your gonna give me a refund or be sued. I getting a little tired of half assers. To everybody who helped out, I do appreciate the replies. Thanks
ckeeler 
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sure thing.

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