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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 10:47 AM / IP Logged  
This is what I'm sayin'... good 4 awg wire brand? - Page 3 -- posted image.
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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 10:53 AM / IP Logged  
Just agreeing with you
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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 11:30 AM / IP Logged  
the same size wire with different strand count makes no difference your saying
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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 12:41 PM / IP Logged  
correct
edit: as long as it is true to size as H stressed
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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 3:58 PM / IP Logged  
Electrically, and at DC, yes. The ONLY difference is flexibility.
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A bit of advise Mr. Mac Ass. Make very sure of your research before arguing any car audio amps and wiring with David (Hamfist). I did car audio for 30 years and have never met anyone with more techno knowledge (Jack Finks?) then Dave. Although I did design and manufacture his front door pods, he is the best.
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Posted: November 23, 2010 at 9:00 PM / IP Logged  
Though all but names above may be true & appropriate, it does not mean that anyone is always correct.
Besides which - as shown in this case - there is much interpretation which has gradually be ironed out. (Then there is degree. Or "theory" and practice.)
If the lot had have been combined into one concise all-encompassing paragraph, I'm sure we'd be a few pages shorter.
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Posted: November 24, 2010 at 12:48 AM / IP Logged  
There shouldn't have been ANY "ironing" necessary... I was QUITE clear from my very first post.
haemphyst wrote:
4 gauge is 4 gauge is 4 gauge whether it's solid bar (it does exist), 7 strands (commonly used in power distribution) or 2000 strands (your Kicker example). The gauge of a wire tells you how many circular mils a wire has. Two thousand strands will APPEAR larger than the 4 gauge solid wire, but I assure you, they are the very same amount of copper. If there are more than 41,740 circular mils, then it is not 4AWG, it is larger than 4AWG. Fewer? Smaller than 4AWG. Incorrectly labeled? Ahhhh.... THERE it is!
The stranded wires are certainly more flexible. This is the only benefit. A true 4G copper conductor will carry the same amount of current as any OTHER 4G copper conductor.
TWICE, I was quite clear in my very positive statements. I was quite careful to specifically say EXACTLY what I had to say. Mr. mcintosh just wanted to argue, I think.
P.S. Thankee, Bob! good 4 awg wire brand? - Page 3 -- posted image. Hope everything is going well for you!
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Posted: November 24, 2010 at 1:56 AM / IP Logged  
Your very second post....
IMO it was your later additions that clarified. EG:
- DC only
- insulated wire
- true AWG and not its labeled AWG.
I did not see those as being neither implicit nor clear in your 2nd reply (except for insulation in this case).
And it's a case of degree....
I usually look at issues from the end-user perspective or application specific...
EG - where same labeled gauges are different (eg 2.5mm2 ~13AWG as 7x.67 or 1x1.78 = 7.7 & 7.6mR/m).
Usually that's only a small difference of typically 2% in resistance; max 5% from memory in similar cases; but that is a 4%-10% current carrying difference. (Granted, copper purity and state tend to have greater impact.)    
Then the joint difference where - if soldering - more whetting for multi-strand can have significant less joint-resistance etc.
Or without solder, interference connectors for solid (single core) outperform, whereas crimping can vary (eg: 32 strand better than 1 better than 7 etc).
For those reasons, I see a difference in the number of strands (all other things being equal eg, annealed or pure) because I compare end-to-end distribution (connector-cable-connector etc) with typically bought products - eg the above 2.5mm2 cables both labeled as 2.5mm2 or 13G etc.
Rarely will any cable say (eg) "4 AWG (actually 4.0424; or even 4.24 AWG)".   
But as I oft say, I never use "those" wiring tables (except as a sanity or max rating check) - I use resistance instead.
And that is usually easy to find - it's often on the packaging - and thence who cares what grade of copper etc.
The issue then usually becomes one of flexibility - few cores for stationary distribution; several cores for starter motors & alternators; heaps of cores for power tools...
Alas I wasn't sure what degree of accuracy was being argued....
But IMO, differences of 2% & 10% can be enough to mention the realistic differences.
Now, if only I can find where people were arguing that "same charge repulsion" pushes even DC "charges" to the outer skin... It's probably one of those sites that says electricity (ie, ions or electrons) travels a near light speeds (~2/3rds C) or in a certain direction etc....
PS - I won't argue uneven cross-sectional charge distribution for electrons nor ion in a DC conductor. (But ito particles....)
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Posted: November 24, 2010 at 5:28 PM / IP Logged  
i was just always taught something different so keep my name outta your mouth my little friend
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