do it yourselfers

this goes to everyone stop helping or these first timer that is why alot of installer loosing jobs and the business going down the drain most real installers had to pay to go to school so please stop helping all the guys that want to do it themselves and don't know where to startcubanthug

Could you provide some stat or evidence for that? For fairness, it would be good to include the amount of work we, er, they - generate thru DIYers that stuff up more than they save. (That is really what this site is for - generating work for installers!) But keep the facts hereon - do NOT go public. Recently a prominent local called Gerry Harvey (the Harvey-Norman chain) went public about how eBayers are avoiding local Australian taxes and businesses by buying overseas. (Apparently at the time his wife was in New York doing lots of "cheap" shopping!!) It turns out only ~1.5% of Australian purchases is/was via eBay and overseas. But now that has jumped considerably because more people are aware of cheaper prices.... thanks to Gerry Harvey's publicity!    Yes Gerry - just as you want to pay imported workers half the pay of locals, we too want to pay less! Some say Gerry is a sour idiot. I reckon he has shares in eBay and Australia Post. POST EDIT - Google gerry harvey The first return is... Gerry Harvey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Gerry Harvey (born 18 September 1939) is an Australian richardhead best-known for being the executive chairman of Harvey Norman Holdings Ltd., a large company ... [ richard is used above because this site does not like its abbreviated version. But Google does not censor it.... ] I'm keen to mention the above because I know see - with MUCH hindsight and experience - how those that complain the most or try their hardest to prevent certain things are those that do the most damage - if not to the industry or group as a whole, certainly to themselves. Poor Gerry is an alleged example, but I think too of a few unfortunates in Asian jails for apparent drug crimes.... Be careful what you wish for....

Oh come on, I love taking the whiz (do you think the censors will change this a word that rhymes with miss?) out of the "please help me, tell me every step and hold my hand" newbies. Frankly the most blatant ones tend to be ignored, the stupids get barred.

Now Cubanthug, go to the archive section, most popular posts, no 54, 8 pages and 5 months on an R/S install into BMW, especially when I told the guy to extend the lock pulse and he asked how far.

Perhaps the DIYers are discouraged from going to "professional" installers because the "professional" installers can't use proper grammar, punctuation, or spelling? Kevin Pierson

Ah interesting point, most "platinums" (platinae?) including yourself use really good grammar and syntax. I find an answer given in say your's or Luongo's concise style to be a reflection on the quality of your (good) work. I hope you were referring to some install shops rather than the people here.

Hehehe, 4 posts and not one period or capital letter....Mike M2

Tech Manager

CS Dealer Services

Even I use periods and Capital Letters.

None of us opened with "Hi" or "So I", the last phrase really sticks in my throat.

That is funny Howie.