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howie ll 
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Posted: July 18, 2012 at 5:36 PM / IP Logged  
Sure, send me an airline ticket.
And I'm not joking either, I might be psychotic sometimes but I'm not psychic, how am I supposed to guess what you've done?
wiseman118 
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Posted: July 18, 2012 at 6:55 PM / IP Logged  
No, i did not expect you to guess what I have done, b/c I have not done anything but found out how to get the car to start from the key, by disconnecting the ignition wire on the alarm from the car's ignition wire. I may have gave you too much info in my previous post that made it seem as though I had done something.
I simply checked all wires per racerjames advice, and figured that if it was not starting it has something to do with the starter or ignition wire from the alarm. I Unplugged the ignition wire and the car cranked, but the autostart feature did not. Attached the ignition wire again, the key didn't work, but the autostart worked. So, maybe there is a trick , method, or different wire that you could recommend me to tap into. Everything else works just fine on the alarm, I am only having trouble with the cranking part.
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soundnsecurity 
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Posted: July 18, 2012 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged  
that is a very strange problem you have there. maybe the starter kill is somehow on when you are trying to crank with the key while everything is connected. the pink ignition on the alarm is an input and an output and the alarm uses this input to know when to activate the starter kill relay. without this input the starter kill wont activate and the alarm wont go off when someone turns the key while the alarm is armed.
you can test my theory by testing for power on the purple wire from the alarm while you are starting with the key. while you are cranking the engine you should have power on both the green and purple wires from the alarm. so if you test it and you are missing power on the purple wire but you have power on the green wire then you know you have an issue with the alarm itself. if you dont have power on either side then you have a problem with a connection somewhere between the ignition cylinder and the alarm.
edit: just re-read some of your posts and saw that you already did this but did you get 12v on both the purple and green wires during crank?
wiseman118 
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Posted: July 18, 2012 at 11:38 PM / IP Logged  
Hello Soundnsecurity,
      I now have clearer understanding of the alarm pink ignition wire. I probed the purple and green wires from the alarm while cranking. The green wire ( starter input) showed me 12.3V but the purple wire (starter output) showed 0V. So, the alarm is not sending power to the starter for some reason. Based on your earlier response, something is wrong with the alarm itself. Sounds like, I have to send the module back?
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racerjames76 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:07 AM / IP Logged  

You can put the 2 halves of the cut starter wire back together and connect the output side of the remote start as a t connection.

Eliminate the starter kill this way. They are nothing but trouble and merely point out which wire to use to hotwire the engine.

my $.02 viper 5704 alarm  1st alarm attempt - Page 5 -- posted image.

To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*
racerjames76 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:09 AM / IP Logged  

Let me clarify before you ask.

Disconnect everything from the purple cars starter wire. connect the 2 halves of the purple wire back together.

Connect the vipers starter output the wire that WAS attached to the car side of the cars purple wire, connect it as a T connection to the now stock again car purple starter wire.

To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*
wiseman118 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:52 AM / IP Logged  
I understand and I will hook it up as you said when i get home.
So, ultimately, I will not have the starter kill feature any more, since i am not using the starter input wire from the alarm, correct?
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howie ll 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM / IP Logged  
Correct though green is the starter input TO the alarm.
Violet is the starter output FROM the alarm
racerjames76 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 11:14 AM / IP Logged  
I confused myself here lol
Yes howie is correct you will lose the starter kill feature, but should gain a working car.
Remember you have multiple stages of protection before anyone could get in and start hot wiring (the purpose of having the starter kill is to prevent popping the ignition lock out and starting with a screwdriver). By then the alarm should be going off full blast anyways. Besides it is much easier to hot wire the car under the hood in that car.
I was referring to the cars purple starter wire being reconnected, and t connecting the alarms green wire to it.
viper 5704 alarm  1st alarm attempt - Page 5 -- posted image.
To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*
racerjames76 
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Posted: July 19, 2012 at 11:17 AM / IP Logged  
Definitely confused myself here the purple output goes to the reconnected purple wire...i quit viper 5704 alarm  1st alarm attempt - Page 5 -- posted image.
To master and control electricity is perfection. *evil laugh*
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