2008 nissan sentra, remote start, python

Hello I have a 08 Nissan Sentra and I am going to install a python 5303 alarm / remote start! this car is just the plane base stock model the keys I think have the chips in them, anyway I got the Xpres pkall for the key bypass but it does not show that it is for the 2008 model so I have returned it and got the Xpres dball2! I hope this time I got the right one. now were do you find the wiring diagram for this car and just how hard is it going to be to install this system in this car? this car has a Clifford matrix rs3 alarm/door lock system is right now (this was sold to my wife and was stated as it could have remote start added later but she was lied to) I have done a lot of wiring on cars before but never an alarm/remote start. as I think this will take a lot of time to do this the right way but I do not know were to start to find all the wires in the car is there a wiring diagram some were? Thanks for all the help BillBill

ooopps Sorry its a Clifford matrix 1 that is installedBill

I am not thinking sorry question am I going to have to get the XKLoader2 to make the Xpres dball2 work on this car??Bill

For vehicle wiring, here are some sources :

Here is a link to Bulldog Security :  http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.aspHere is a link to Ready Remote :  http://www.readyremote.com/main.aspHere is a link to AudioVox :  http://techservices.audiovox.com/AccessRequest.aspx    Sign-up & info is free.

The DB-ALL2 needs 402.NISS01 v1.04 firmware loaded on it for your 2008 Sentra ( regular key ).  I am not sure how

they are shipped from the factory, or if the seller will flash this for you.  So, yes, you will need the XKLoader2 USBcable to flash the correct firmware on to the DB-ALL2 bypass module if it isn't on there currently.  Here is a link to theinstall guide :  http://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=9211&productid=553&firmwareid=5372

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Thank you kreg357 for your help with this I know this car has them keys that have the chips in them my wife had a plane key cut and it would not start I ordered the xkloader and the bitwriter today I took a look at the way the matrix was installed today too dam cartoys just wrapped the wire in then tapped them up I think I am going to solder the wires when I do this just hope there are no problems that will pop up Bill

been looking at the install for this dball2 and from looking at this CAN HIGH Wire Color OBDII Pin 6 BCM Pin 22 CAN LOW Wire Color OBDII Pin 14 BCM Pin 21 this is from the install manual then if you look at the flash logic site they say ODB 2 connector does I matter were to connect this??Bill

Need some Advice Please been doing all the reading about this install that I can. I got a question this DBALL2 and this python 5303 the DBALL2 do I hook all the wires up on this IE; door locks, factory alarm, brakes, etc. ?? and just hook up the wires for the DBALL2 for the key bypass? then hook the rest of the wires to the python 5303 for the doors, factory alarm disable, lights etc.?? or does all the wires from both units need to be hooked up???Bill

It looks like XpressKit has come out with newer firmware / install guide for your 2008 Sentra regular key when using the

DB-ALL2 bypass module.  This guide shows the CAN wire connections at the OBD2 connector instead of at the BCM.Here is a link :  http://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=9283&productid=553&firmwareid=6541The DB-ALL2 would be flashed with the 402.NISS1HT v3.11

Use the Vehicle Application Guide on Page 2 to see the supported functions for your 2008 Sentra.   This shows what items are

handled by the DB-ALL2 via its' connections to the car ( CAN wires and transponder plug ).  As far as the wiring, the wiring diagram on Page 3 shows the necessary connections.   If you go D2D between the modules, all the dashed Blue wires are handled by the D2D harness.  As an example, the door lock and unlock commands from the Viper are sent to the DB-ALL2thru the D2D harness and the DB-ALL2 forwards the commands to the Sentra thru the CAN bus.  Same for the ParkingLights and Trunk Release.  Going the other direction, the DB-ALL2 gathers such signals as Brake, Door Triggers, Tach, Trunktrigger, etc from data on the CAN bus and forwards them to the Viper via the D2D harness.  You can always go with the W2Wmode, leave the D2D harness out and hardwire all those dashed Blue lines between the two modules.

Please note that if your Sentra has the Factory Alarm, you must connect the Vipers Lock and Unlock wires to the BCM and

make a programming change to the DB-ALL2.  These connections and the programming change is not required if your cardoes not have the Factory Alarm.

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Thanks Kreg357 !! the car I think came with a factory alarm it has Nissan FOB and there is a red light that flashes in the dash when you lock the doors looking at the old Clifford matrix 1 alarm installed it looks like I can just cut those wires and solder the new alarm in? I will at this point hook up the DBALL 2 all the wires that can be hooked up as for the programming change to the DBALL 2 change it to this 402.NISS1HT v3.11 or if not can this be done with the bitwriter 998t? I got this too just in case as for the python 533 alarm, remote start, keyless entry this I will only hook up the door lock and unlock as you said above factory alarm bypass and all the rest to the DBALL 2 when all the wires are connected and the system is up I can program the python with the bitwriter and then the DBALL 2 then I can connect the D2D cable between the two right?? Bill

Bill,

This upgrade to the 2008 Sentra is a serious undertaking.  There are several areas that come into play that will need to beaddressed for a satisfactory outcome.

The current Clifford Matrix 1 system must be removed without causing any problems.

You should determine if the Sentra has the Factory Alarm system installed.You have the XKLoader2 cable, BitWriter, DB-ALL2 and the Python 5303. 

While some of the current Clifford Matrix 1 connections to the car could be re-used by the Python 5303, I would be very

cautious.  You don't know how these connections were made.  If they were properly soldered, then yes, you could cutthe wire at a convenient location and solder on the Pythons corresponding wire.  The safe bet is to use these connections as an aid in locating certain wires and then making the Python's connections neatly yourself.

While every installer has his own preferences and routine during an install, here is how I would do it ( W2W mode ).

1.  Determine if the Sentra has a Factory Alarm system.  You will need this info during bench prep and vehicle install.2.  Use the XKLoader2 to flash the latest firmware on to the DB-ALL2.3.  Follow the DB-ALL2 install guide to make all the necessary W2W connections between the Python and the DB-ALL2 on the      bench.   Any un-used wires will be neatly trimmed, insulated and secured out of the way, leaving only the necessary wires     grouped together according to their final destination location in the car.4.  Use the BitWriter to set / change any Python options necessary.5.  Carefully remove the Matrix 1 from the car, making notes and taking pictures of the important connections.6.  Use a Digital Multi Meter to locate and verify the necessary wires that will be used by the Python / DB-ALL2.7.  Position the Matrtix / DB-ALL2 under the dash, run the wires to their connection point, trim to length and make quality solder     connections.  Insulate with Scotch Super 33+ tape.8.  Install the fuses and program the DB-ALL2 to the vehicle.9.  Perform the Python Tach Learn process.10.  Test the Python system.11.  Properly secure the new system modules, wiring harness runs and wiring with tie wraps.12.  Re-install any vehicle trim / panels removed and test again.

According to the info I have, your Sentra has two Accessory wires.   You will use the thick Pink/White wire from the H3 harness,

programmed as Accessory2, for the Sentra's Accessory2 wire.

Assuming the Sentra has an automatic trans, the DB-ALL2's Clutch connection and the EBrake/Handbrake connection won't be

necessary.

Verify that the Sentra has the Factory installed Hood Pin.  If it does not have one, the DB-ALL2 can't supply that signal and you

must install the Python kit supplied hood pin and connect that directly to the Python.

The Sentra does not have Auto Headlights, so that connection isn't used.

The DB-ALL2 input marked Blue/White (-) GWR goes to the Python's Dark Blue (-) Status Output wire.

Make sure the Python is set for (+) Parking Light output ( internal jumper/fuse ).

The Python thick Violet (+) Start Output goes to the Sentra's Starter wire at the ignition switch harness and to the DB-ALL2,

Violet wire on the Black 10 Pin connector.

As noted, this is assuming W2W mode connections between the Python and the DB-ALL2.  If you choose to go with D2D

and connect the D2D harness, everything changes...

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