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ponchantos3 
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Posted: April 13, 2014 at 12:24 PM / IP Logged  
Hi
everyone. I bought an alarm from amazon link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005ZHFXKU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
And with tilt and glass sensor. I also purchased the PKALL module
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001N7RE44/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
This all into my 2008 F350 Diesel.
I've got the alarm working. Now I don't mind the delayed reaction to execute. But I'm having a problem remote starting the vehicle. I have everything wired as follows as I have done this before:
h1/1 red const 12v - tap to a const 12v TN/WH BCM
h1/2 black grnd - chassis ground Bk BCM
h1/3 brown siren out - connect to sirens red (black to ground)
h1/4 WHITE/ brown park light isolation wire - not used
h1/5 white park light out - out to parking light
h1/6 orange ground when armed out - not used
Door lock
1 blue out - tap to neg unlock - Pnk/LG
2 empty
3 green - tap to neg lock- Pnk/YL
Aux/shutdown/trigger harness, 24-pin connector
h2/1 pink/white ign/flex relay out - not used
h2/2 BLACK/ white neutral safety input - Run straight to grnd
h2/3 blue white 2nd stat/rear defog out - not used
h2/4 green black oem alarm disarm out - not used
h2/5 RED / white trunk release out - not used
h2/6 green door trigger in - to my all door trigger underneath seat harness
h2/7 BLACK / YELLOW dome light supv out - Opted to not hook this up
h2/8 BROWN / black horn honk - tap to horn
h2/9 dark/blue status out - not used
h2/10 pink ign out - to my ignition 1 along with the one on remote start harness
h2/11 WHITE/ black aux3 out - not used
h2/12 violet door trigger in - not used
h2/13 WHITE/ violet aux1 out - not used
h2/14 violet/black aux2 out - not used
h2/15 ORANGE / black aux4 out - not used
h2/16 brown brake shutdown in - tap to brake wire
h2/17 grey hood pin - not used
h2/18 violet yellow starter out - not used
h2/19 blue instant trigger in - not used
h2/20 grey/black diesel wait to start - not used
h2/21 WHITE/ blue remote start/tt acvt in - not used
h2/22 orange acc out - not used
h2/23 violet/white tach in - not used
h2/24 oem alarm out - not used
remote start 10 pin heavy gauge connector
h3/1 pink ign in/out - DB/LG ignition harness
h3/2 RED / white fused ign2/flex relay in - not used
h3/3 orange accessory out - BK/LG - ignition harness
h3/4 violet start out Rd/LB Engine side of starter wire ignition harness
h3/5 green starter in -- key side of cut starter wire
h3/6 red ign in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM
h3/7 pink/white ign2 out - not used
h3/8 pink/black flex relay in - not used
h3/9 RED / black acc/starter in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM
the module was wired as per 2008 F350
any help would be greatly appreciated. Remote start is my task right now. I get a REMOTE START ERROR with nothing happening.
Thanks
DenKat
smokeman1 
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Posted: April 13, 2014 at 5:50 PM / IP Logged  
Are you getting any flashes from the parking lights to indicate the issue after you try to remote start?
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kreg357 
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Posted: April 13, 2014 at 10:26 PM / IP Logged  

Boy, those ignition wire colors sure don't look right to me.  All the major sources show different ( and consistent ) color listings for your truck.  Did you test and verify them with a Digital Multi Meter?

Additionally, the PKALL needs to have a GWR ( Status Output ) connection from the Viper.  You listed both H2/9 and H2/3 as "Not Used"...

Did you program the Viper for Auto Trans?  Are you going to try to run in Virtual Tach Mode?

Soldering is fun!
howie ll 
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Posted: April 14, 2014 at 1:29 AM / IP Logged  

h2/10 pink ign out - to my ignition 1 along with the one on remote start harness  BANG!

Don't use it!

howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: April 14, 2014 at 1:40 AM / IP Logged  
howie as usual was rather harsh, the reason if you'll stop to think about it is that pink at H3/1 is giving a POS voltage while pink at H2/10 is going to ground.
At the same time.
Also no mention of the neutral safety switch to the black socket, N.B. I just flash some solder over those connections.
Test before boxing up.
ponchantos3 
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Posted: April 14, 2014 at 7:47 PM / IP Logged  
Hi Smokeman..
No I'm not getting any flashes
And to Howie
the pink on the auxilliary harness is negative and obviously other is positive. I`m an did electrical engineering in school and now I'm a General Contractor. So I should know that. LOL. Good call though
AND KREY
I do know how to program the remote to go to automatic. This remote seems
1 have a delayed reaction when arming
and
2 delayed reaction when entering commands in options
Either way. How do you change to automatic
That particular pink is not being used in reference to Howie's comment. The issue here is I had copied and pasted someones listing and edited to make mine. I apologize. But here is exactly what I have happening:
h1/1 red const 12v - tap to a const 12v which is in ignition harness
h1/2 black grnd - chassis ground Bk BCM
h1/3 brown siren out - connect to sirens red (black to ground)
h1/4 WHITE/ brown park light isolation wire - not used
h1/5 white park light out - out to parking light
h1/6 orange ground when armed out - not used
Door lock (THESE ARE TESTED AND WORK)
1 blue out - tap to neg unlock - Pnk/LG
2 empty
3 green - tap to neg lock- Pnk/YL
Aux/shutdown/trigger harness, 24-pin connector
h2/1 pink/white ign/flex relay out - not used
h2/2 BLACK/ white neutral safety input - Run straight to grnd
h2/3 blue white 2nd stat/rear defog out - not used
h2/4 green black oem alarm disarm out - TO my disarm on truck
h2/5 RED / white trunk release out - not used
h2/6 green door trigger in - NOT used. I have a + door trigger in F350 as used below
h2/7 BLACK / YELLOW dome light supv out - to my dome light which is GR/BLUE
h2/8 BROWN / black horn honk - tap to horn
h2/9 dark/blue status out - not used
h2/10 pink ign out - not used
h2/11 WHITE/ black aux3 out - not used
h2/12 violet door trigger in - to door trigger drivers kick panel (I have + in my truck)
h2/13 WHITE/ violet aux1 out - not used
h2/14 violet/black aux2 out - not used
h2/15 ORANGE / black aux4 out - not used
h2/16 brown brake shutdown in - tap to brake wire
h2/17 grey hood pin - not used
h2/18 violet yellow starter out - not used
h2/19 blue instant trigger in - not used
h2/20 grey/black diesel wait to start - not used
h2/21 WHITE/ blue remote start/tt acvt in - not used
h2/22 orange acc out - not used
h2/23 violet/white tach in - to my tach in drivers side above kick panel
h2/24 oem alarm out - not used
remote start 10 pin heavy gauge connector
h3/1 pink ign in/out - DB/LG ignition harness
h3/2 RED / white fused ign2/flex relay in - not used
h3/3 orange accessory out - BK/LG - ignition harness
h3/4 violet start out Rd/LB Engine side of starter wire ignition harness
h3/5 green starter in -- key side of cut starter wire
h3/6 red ign in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM
h3/7 pink/white ign2 out - not used
h3/8 pink/black flex relay in - not used
h3/9 RED / black acc/starter in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM
AS FOR PKALL (These I connected to same harness in ignition . ie ones going through transponder or PASSIVE ANTI-THEFT SYSTEM)
RX (PURPLE / WHite) - To my RX (VIOLET/GREY)
TX (Yellow/Black) - To my TX (Yellow/Orange)
Ground while running (BLACK/ White) - To my ground black in ignition
Ignition (Pink) - to my ignition wire (Blue gray)
MY CONFUSION is here too. Apparently RX and TX could be reversed and second some people are saying this Ignition and ground should not go to this harness. Is this true
I hope this explains well. Thanks folks alot for your help
DenKat
ponchantos3 
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Posted: April 14, 2014 at 7:49 PM / IP Logged  
Sorry for typos I quickly typed this.. eg. KREG instead of KREY
thanks guys
DenKat
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Posted: April 14, 2014 at 8:41 PM / IP Logged  

The Blue/White wire from the PKALL should be connected to the Vipers' H2/9 Dark Blue (-) 200mA Status Output wire.

The PKALL Pink wire can go to the Viper H3/1 Pink wire, which continues on to the truck ignition harness.

Here is your listing :

h3/1 pink ign in/out - DB/LG ignition harness
h3/2 RED / white fused ign2/flex relay in - not used
h3/3 orange accessory out - BK/LG - ignition harness
h3/4 violet start out Rd/LB Engine side of starter wire ignition harness
h3/5 green starter in -- key side of cut starter wire
h3/6 red ign in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM
h3/7 pink/white ign2 out - not used
h3/8 pink/black flex relay in - not used
h3/9 RED / black acc/starter in - tap to const 12v lt grn / YELLOW BCM

I think we are talking about a 2008 Ford F350.  Here is how it should go according to ReadyRemote :

( http://www.readyremote.com/main.asp?make=Ford&model=F350  )
h3/1 pink ign in/out -         WHITE/ Orange @ ignition harness
h3/2 RED / white fused ign2/flex relay       Red (fusible links C and D)  +    SJB, black 1 pin plug (H), pin 1 
h3/3 orange accessory out -       BROWN / Yellow or Yellow/Orange  +  ignition switch, gray 10 pin plug, pin 7  ignition harness
h3/4 violet start out        Blue/White  +  ignition switch, gray 10 pin plug, pin 10    Engine side of cut starter wire
h3/5 green starter in --   Blue/White  +  ignition switch, gray 10 pin plug, pin 10    key side of cut starter wire
h3/6 red ign in -              Red (fusible links C and D)  +    SJB, black 1 pin plug (H), pin 1 
h3/7 pink/white ign2 -  set to ACC2        PURPLE / Green @ ignition harness    
h3/8 pink/black flex relay in -      not used
h3/9 RED / black acc/starter in -     Red (fusible links C and D)  +    SJB, black 1 pin plug (H), pin 1 

Definitely want to test / verify these wires.

Additionally, I would strongly recommend using the H2/17 grey hood pin wire with the hood pin supplied in the Viper kit.

It is a very good safety measure.

Can't help with the Viper programming via the remotes.  I took the easy way out and purchased a BitWriter.

Think that truck has Ford's infamous N.C. Door Triggers...

Soldering is fun!
ponchantos3 
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Posted: April 15, 2014 at 2:12 AM / IP Logged  
KREG
man you are smart i can tell. Even the info you`ve given me just gives me. Its too bad we don`t have the wiring available to some of us who can actually attack this project. I`m in the business of time and I appreciate your time a lot.
Now the BitWriter would have been good to have. I`ll get my buddy who works at alarm shop to bring that with him.
Question, should I be able to remote start the vehicle with key in assuming pkall is not programmed? I'm definitely going to try your suggestions and see how the go.
As far as the main harness and aux harness of 5704, did they seem familiar to you?
Thanks a lot man
DenKat
ponchantos3 
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Posted: April 15, 2014 at 2:15 AM / IP Logged  
One other thing is why isn't there any place to tell us where the TX and RX wires are on our cars. In my case the 2008 Ford F350. I had to ask someone on one of the forums for that. Or is that a secret for dealers and security folks. LOL.
I actually saw those wires going into the anti theft system and presumed that they were along with a ground and ignition (4 pin harness)
This I'm just curious
DenKat
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