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Raid

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Posted: June 22, 2002 at 10:37 PM / IP Logged

A customer had some concerns about alarms and asked if I could help him. He told me his friend wentto a shop and had a Viper installed that had 2 extra sirens and pinswitches and mercury switches galore, with more LED's than a brand new Deville tail light (damn those are nice cars!!). Well the car got stolen and he wants to know how. I suggested to him it could have something to do with the installation, he said maybe they were that good. I explained to him some precautions that are taken into consideration when installing an alarm. Then I asked him more questions about his friends car and he said "all I know is when you look under the dash there is a black box that says Viper 500ESP."Hmm, then he said with a smile "it took no time at all" These are the people that give bad names to the Mobile industryWe all started somewhere, but how can you feel charging someone $375 for a POS.sorry for the long postby the way it was a 1989 Mazda RX-7 with the rotary 13b motor. they found the frame on the E end of Bridgeport. what a shame.

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Joined: March 08, 2002

Location: Manitoba, Canada

Posted: June 23, 2002 at 12:41 AM / IP Logged

I'll have to agree with RAID on the fact that these installers are giving the mobile installers a bad name. Most thieves know that installers place the brain of the alarm system under the driver side dash. We as installers have to be smarter than that and not get complacent in our installs. We have to be able to move with the times and mount equipment in less OBVIOUS places. So what if it takes a little longer to extend the alarm wires to have it installed in the center console. At least this way the customer will have a chance against the bastards out there stealing cars and audio equipment. Sorry, had to vent my frustrations and let some steam out Bad install??? -- posted image.

Jeff

Velocity Custom Home Theater

Mobile Audio/Video Specialist

Morden, Manitoba CANADA

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steveholtam

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Joined: June 11, 2002

Location: United States

Posted: June 23, 2002 at 2:59 AM / IP Logged

You guys are dead on. The technology exists to prevent cars and their contents safe, but cheap installs allow the good thiefs to circumvent the alarms as they know what to expect before starting thier crime. There is a rash of deck theives in my neighboorhood currently. They got me for about $500 in stuff a few months ago. They folded a rear window in and climbed in, cut the deck out, took all my cds and some other stuff, and then when he was done, set the alarm off on his way out, as his get away driver was waiting. I saw them drive off...

The car across the street from me, a newer Civic had the trunk opened and the cd changer removed. There was no forced entry. Then a week after that, all four tires and rims, about $1500's worth taken. She did gain two cheap ass jacks though :-(

Both these cars had the basic type keyless entry alarms, mine did have a shock sensor. This time, I got the microwave/IR sensor thing that would/should help out on some of this stuff. Another thing I do, which is sad, but I know longer buy very expensive decks. I just get a nice $150 range one or something. They still take them, but at least I can go and buy a new one the next day. I do have my amp bolted down, so thats not going anywhere :-)

Steve

bud 13

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Posted: June 23, 2002 at 2:16 PM / IP Logged

I know how raid feels. I had an alarm put in for some good money and they did a !@#$y install. the siren on the shock tower, the brain just stuck in between some wires and a wire harness right next to the plastic foot rest( honda accord) and the extended range antenea wrapped around itself just above my brake pedal! the valet switch was in plain site on the drskp. I know its a honda but damn give a person an install as if it was your car! then i had a system put in and what a nightmare that was, the amp wire was routed thru the same hole as the siren output wire from the alarm and was chaffed. Any person could tell that with vibration and any movement of the amp wire the siren wire could easily be shorted out in a matter of time. the gains on my amp where turned up so much i couldn't get the radio past 15 without distorion. i had freaking whine out the wazzu. i just recently added some things myself to it, a glass mic sensor and a 530t i'll do the dome light sprvsn later and while i'm not claiming to be certified(not yet at least) or an expert at least i hid the brain ALOT better then them and i'm going back and soldering everything once i get the chance( which they didn't do). I wish the guy who got the car stolen best of luckwith his next car/ alarm install. i hope his friend tells him what Raid told him. i learned alot on these forums. next time(if there is a next time) i go shoping for an alarm either for myself or with someone i know i know now to ask some serious ?'s. and if the person gets offened or something i'm out the door!

cva2000uk

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Location: United Kingdom

Posted: June 23, 2002 at 4:10 PM / IP Logged

This kinda thing seems to be all to common now daysthe good thing in the uk is that alarm installs can be checked at anytime buy the vehicle security installation board.every major alarm install has to be certificated by the alarm shop.so if they throw an alarm system on , they have to answer to the big guys.i never throw on anything.i was 15 when i installed my first alarm . and i can even remember the vehicle.I take pride in my installs, as most guys here do.live and learn is my motto

CTMobileMedia

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Joined: April 18, 2002

Location: United States

Posted: June 23, 2002 at 4:29 PM / IP Logged

All the more reason to buy quality products from reputable shops. A good shop will have pics of their installs, including close-ups of solder connections. They'll tell a customer right off the bat that they solder (not t-tap) as a sales tool. And they won't do an alarm install in 20 minutes - even a Honda Civic.

If I were a customer, I'd rather wait a day or 2 while someone installs it just to know it's being done right.

Dave

CT Mobile Media

tech_advice

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Location: Canada

Posted: June 23, 2002 at 4:39 PM / IP Logged

I usually put the module in behind the glove box(removal necessary) and the valet switch in the glove box(discretely), for the simple fact that you can't get up behind most from under the dash, and the valet can be locked away.....takes a little longer, but I'd feel like crap if a customer came back to my shop and said some knob stole their stereo and my alarm was diabled in less than 30 seconds.....

Don't share too many install secrets with your customers, pretty soon they won't need you!!!!!

atakinetic

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Joined: June 24, 2002

Location: United States

Posted: June 24, 2002 at 10:24 AM / IP Logged

I've never installed an alarm or keyless entry...but planning to do so on my g/f's car tonight. Forgive me for asking a stupid question...but why is it important to hide the 'brain' of the alarm? I guess my question really is what does one do to disable an alarm system if they know where the box is...simply cut all the wires?

Velocity Motors

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Posted: June 24, 2002 at 2:14 PM / IP Logged

If you do not hide the alram brain well enough then the thief will easily be able to yank on the wires of the alarm and then disable the alarm. Chances are cutting tools will not be necessary if they can easily access the alarm brain.

Jeff

Velocity Custom Home Theater

Mobile Audio/Video Specialist

Morden, Manitoba CANADA

steveholtam

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Joined: June 11, 2002

Location: United States

Posted: June 24, 2002 at 3:33 PM / IP Logged

As soon as I finish testing my alarm (once its confirmed working), I'm going to go back and redo all the wiring (soldering all connections) and hiding things.

Can I use Cat-5 computer cable, which I believe has eight wires inside for sending the signals and such for the none large voltage connections? This seems ideal as the wires are nicely enclosed in the small grey casing.

I like the behind the glove box idea with the valet button locked in the glove box.

Steve

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