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mobiletoys2002

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Posted: June 24, 2002 at 3:57 PM / IP Logged

cool ive seen it done before with cat cable its a cool i dea verry nice but you still wanna hide those starter kill wires verry good and those will be of a heavy gauge so u will not be able to use that cat cable for that . the wires that are of most importance would be the power wires and the starter kill being that with any of those seen it would be verry easy to steal a car.

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cva2000uk

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Posted: June 24, 2002 at 6:29 PM / IP Logged

I was wondering what the wiring was like on car alarms in the usa. besides cliffords and vipers. cause i know those.here in the uk good alarms have black wires ..they have paper id tags, so you can id the wires.the id tags are removed after the alarm has been installed.so even if a thief were to find the alarms brain they would have the problem of knowing which wires do what.do you guys have alarms that are simular?

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Posted: June 24, 2002 at 10:30 PM / IP Logged

I find that the majority of auto thefts or stereo thefts that have the alarm disabled have the alarm literally ripped out of the dash area because installers are not hiding the alarm brain's well enough. The f@(ker's would not take the time to cautiously find the alarm brain and cut a single wire to disable the system rather they would want the have the least amount of noise while trying to steal the car or the stereo. The all black wires is a great idea if the theif wanted to steal the alarm, but most of the time they want the stereo or the car so off comes the wires on the alarm Bad install??? - Page 2 -- posted image.

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steveholtam

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Posted: June 24, 2002 at 11:37 PM / IP Logged

All the alarms I have seen have colored wires, and the companies seem to keep to the basic color scheme. So I guess a smart patient thief could just cut the red (+) power or the black (-) ground wires. Or the siren wire which I think is a brown wire. But like Velocity says, they usually got keep yanking things until the noise stops.

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Posted: June 25, 2002 at 12:22 AM / IP Logged

okay a few ways it may have been jacked.

1: the criminal saw the BCM and just hopped in and yanked it, then shorted teh starter kill relay and hot-wired it.

2: he popped the hood and cut the battery cable or siren wire. then took his time bypassing the alarm.

3: he used a special type of tow truck with something called a double0eagle rig. this backs up to a car, slides underneath the frame, "bites" the front wheels, then lifts them off the ground just like a big fork.. and off you go. you can jack a car with one of these babies in about 15 seconds. no need to even put it in neutral as it lifts the wheels right off the ground.

I had friends in the towing/repo business when I worked for a local audio shop near DC. heh I learned a lot of neat tricks.

Also how I learned how to make a nearly impregnable alarm system.

-GlassWolf

Pioneer Stage-4, Orion, DynAudio, Fi

steveholtam

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Posted: June 25, 2002 at 8:50 AM / IP Logged

So I would think that for a high quality safe alarm, the brain would need to be very good, two sirens hidden very good not near each other and all on a backup battery. With a setup like this, it seems it would be difficult to bypass the alarm easily.

Steve

cva2000uk

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Posted: June 25, 2002 at 5:48 PM / IP Logged

The alarms that i install are cobras, they are great !!unlike certain alarms that i wont mention, approved cobra alarms have a seperate coded immobiliser. which i might add does not unplug.once wired into the cars fuel and ignition circuit the only way to start the car without the remote and key is to trace the black wires back to the point where they join the cars original wire circuits.this can take hours if the alarm is installed properly.minutes if it is not...ive removed loads of badly fitted alarms in seconds.these cars could have been driven away in seconds.when i fit an immobilser , what i have started doing now is cutting the fuel wire so its almost undetectable .then join the immobiliser wire to it at one end.then i run the other end of the immobilser wire to the rear of the vehicle. along side the factory wiring.and cut the other end of the fuel wire. then i also cut "say the rear wash wipe wire" .and swap the wire with the fuel pump wire.so the idea is if a good thief were to know the colour of the cars fuel wirerather than him find it in the side of the car under the carpet and direct live it.he would direct live the rear wiper wash lolalso just incase .the immobilisers that i fit have anti hotwire circuitry tooso if they are direct lived they go up in smoke . Insurance approved !ive always wondered if the insurance companys that have approved these systems know that the car would go up in smoke too lol Bad install??? - Page 2 -- posted image.

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omegamotorsprts

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Posted: September 17, 2002 at 11:46 PM / IP Logged

a friend of mine owns a business based out of the next town over and for an alarm you will have to drop the car off four maybe a couple of days, but he's been to DEI's alarm training schools and when he extends out wiring he uses only DEI factory wire coloring and you could spend the next month or so and not find the alarm depending on the vehicle, but then agian I've seen alarms that look like rat nest and I was about as scared to reach into the wiring as I would be a rats nest.

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chasesaccessori

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Posted: September 18, 2002 at 10:35 AM / IP Logged

I've seen it all and yanked a bunch out. Have you ever demonstrated to a customer haw easy it was to defeat a car alarm? I had one come in braging that joe smo down the street installed his alarm and it cost a bunch less than I would do it for. I got him to agree to let me defeat his alarm with the agreement that I would fix anything I broke or damaged. All I did was remove a corner light bulb, short the bulb conector and set the alarm off. The alarm blirped once and stopped. He then paid me to make it right.

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gferguso

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Posted: September 18, 2002 at 4:56 PM / IP Logged

I installed my on alarm and I'm curious as to how shorting out the corner light could defeat an alarm. I'm also concerned because I'm in the process of up grading my equipment.

Gferg

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