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2006 Ford E-250, Door Trigger Problems


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berad 
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Posted: July 28, 2020 at 4:29 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote berad
I'm installing a viper 5305v alarm/starter in my e250.
The problem I am having is that the negative door triggers are 12v when the door is closed, but after about 30 seconds the signal drops to 0.6v thus triggering the alarm through the (-) door trigger input.
Is there anything I can do aside from having to use the done light?
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Posted: July 28, 2020 at 5:20 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote berad
Fyi.   I tapped into the 3 door pin wires in the driver's kick panel and isolated them with diodes.
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Posted: July 28, 2020 at 6:28 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote geepherder
If you only put 3 diodes, that's your problem. You need 3 more to isolate from the BCM:
2006 Ford E-250, Door Trigger Problems -- posted image.
Found in this old post:
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=145516
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Posted: July 30, 2020 at 4:02 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote davep.
There's a DEI bulletin regarding the Ford N.O. door triggers that shows the use of 10K pull-up resistors to keep the door triggers high until the door opens. Put a 10K resistor in parallel with each diode in the alarm group, one side of the resistor to +12V at all times.
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Posted: July 30, 2020 at 6:39 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote eguru
Do you mean a single 10K resistor between 12V and the alarm's door trigger input wire?
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Posted: July 31, 2020 at 11:49 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote davep.
I found, in the link below, what I was thinking of, but the description says "rests at ground when closed, and goes high when open. May not be exactly what is needed for the Ford doors which rest 'open' when door closed, but ground when door open. Perhaps a single 10k resistor to hold the alarm trigger input high such as eguru suggests, would work. May have to experiment.
I found the tech tip in the downloads section. NOTE: It says the diagram shown must be repeated for each door.
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1121
Well, I give up. I can NOT get the individual file I want to link. All the link does is open the downloads page.
For "Browse by Category" select Tech Tips-Car Security. For "Enter a Search Term" enter "door triggers". There are several. #5 and #6 pdf's are what I'm thinking of.
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Posted: August 01, 2020 at 7:23 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Think I found it, davep!
Here is a link to DEI Tech Tip 1921 :   https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=930
Think this is the complete diagram for all 4 door trigger wires. Just note that the circuits output must go to the 5305's (+) Door Trigger Input.
I believe that the 2006 F250 had N.C. door triggers. They should test as Chassis Ground when the door is closed and an open when the door is not closed.
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Posted: August 02, 2020 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote berad
I ended up just using a relay (+ constant to +momentary) off of the factory dome light relay under the dash.    Works like a charm.
Thanks for the responses.   I'll try the double isolation and resistors on the next one.

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