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Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix


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putszieca 
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Posted: January 05, 2022 at 6:03 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote putszieca
hi everyone... am looking to install remote start on my 2006 toyota matrix, manual transmission, key start, no factory alarm.
i have done my homework and almost all of them i found here 🙂
but i wanna make sure i get everything right.
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
what wires i only need for this install?
and what does the dashed line means on the bypass module, that's what confuses me a lot.
thank you in advance
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kreg357 
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Posted: January 05, 2022 at 10:00 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
what wires i only need for this install?
There will be many wires needed for this install. You have chosen to install a remote starter on a manual transmission vehicle. This requires more wires. While the Viper 4806 is a manual transmission safe platform, it requires many additional things to be safely installed on a manual transmission vehicle.
Here is a list :
1. The Viper must be run in Tach Mode. This will require a hardwired Tach connection and a successful Tach Learn before the first remote start.
2. Even though the 4806 is not an Alarm system, the Door and Rear Hatch input wires must be properly connected to the car to allow entry into Reservation Mode.
3. Same goes for the vehicles Parking Brake. It must be connected to the Viper as it is also used to enter into Reservation Mode.
4. The final extra piece of the puzzle is the Clutch Pedal. It must be bypassed to allow the starter motor to crank the engine.
and what does the dashed line means on the bypass module, that's what confuses me a lot.
The ADS TB bypass module is used to bypass the vehicles transponder based immobilizer system. The three dashed lines are required in W2W mode. If you run the ADS TB in D2D mode they are not necessary because their function is handled by the 4 Pin Data harness connection between the Viper and the ADS TB. Of course there is a big note on the ADS TB. First, it must be flashed with the correct firmware to support your Toyota. This firmware comes in two flavors, ADS and DBI. You should flash the DBI version onto the ADS TB module to allow two way D2D communications and use the 4 Pin Data Harness. So DBI TB DL is the preferred firmware for your specific application. Second, you must set the Installation Mode to DATA prior to vehicle programming. The steps are in the DBI TB TL Guide #77711.
I would suggest listing your proposed vehicle wire connections for this install so that
the Forum members can review them and provide any needed corrections. To help, here is
a text harness list for your 4806 :
H/1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT     *           
H/2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND        *    
H/3 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT     
H/4 WHITE/BROWN LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE              
H/5 WHITE PIN 30 of LIGHT FLASH RELAY jumper selectable    *   
H/6 ORANGE 500 mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT              
Remote Start, 8-pin connector             
1 RED/BLACK (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT      *       
2 PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A    
3 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2   set to IGN2 *
4 RED (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT             *
5 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT *           
6 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT              *          
7 RED/WHITE (+) 12VDC CONSTANT INPUT       *          
8 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT        *
Auxiliary/Shutdown Harness 24-pin connector
1 PNK/WHITE (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT
2 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT     
3 RED/WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT      *              
4 BLACK/YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT
5 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT          
6 WHITE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT       
7 WHITE/VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT       
8 ORANGE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT       
9 GRAY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO)            *            
10 BLUE FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use Jumper to set polarity)    
11 WHITE/BLUE ACTIVATION INPUT
12 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT *          
13 BLACK/WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY / PARKING BRAKE INPUT       *
14 GREEN/BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT          
15 GREEN (-) DOOR INPUT        *
16 EMPTY ------------------------------------
17 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT          
18 VIOLET (+) DOOR INPUT    
19 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT       
20 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT              *
21 VIOLET/YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT    
22 GRAY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
23 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT       
24 GREEN/WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT            
* = necessary
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putszieca 
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Posted: January 06, 2022 at 4:03 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote putszieca
thank so much for the wiring info Kreg357
i will follow the wiring required that you provided Kreg357
i bought the viper and bypass module from lockdown security canada and had it programmed for my vehicle before it got shipped.
they gave me the guide ADS-TB-TL-EN ##77710##
instead of the DBI TB TL ##77711## though, so am thinking it was programmed as ADS-TB-TL
and on page 13 though, the dashed line requiring ground when running, 12+ and ground, on the ##77710## guide is colored red dashed line and on guide ##77711## is colored blacked dashed line...
i just dont understand how to wire it, coz its my first time to do it 🙂 thats why the way am asking is so beginnerish mode 🙂 but i am determined to install it though becoz were having this extreme cold weather now here 😫
and another thing, on the main 6 pin harness i have one 12+ constant and on the 8 pin remote start harness i have three 12+ constant, so i have two 12+ constant source on the ignition switch, a 25A and a 15A, so any suggestion if i split the four constant wire into two which of the four should i join together to tap on each of the two constant wire source? thank u in advance 🙂🙂🙂
my plan is to hooked it all up on the 25A source but change my mind when i red a post about it here in the forum
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
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kreg357 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 8:09 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
If they did flash the ADS TB with the ADS TB TL version of firmware you will not be able to go D2D using the 4 Pin harness. You can still use the ADS TB as flashed but must go W2W. That is easy to do. You just hardwire the black dashed lines between the ADS TB and the Viper. The Red +12V wire will get +12V constant power from the same source as the Vipers other Red fused wires. The Black wire will go to Chassis Ground along with the Vipers H/2 Black wire. The Blue/White GWR wire will be connected to the Vipers Dark Blue (-) Status Output wire at Pin 5 on the 24 Pin harness.
Other ADS TB wires :
White to same Black Chassis Ground wire.
Pink to Viper thick Pink (that goes to the Matrix Black/White Ignition 1 wire).
The other 3 wires are shown in the ADS TB TL Type 2 diagram.
Remember that to use the ADS TB in W2W Mode, you must set the Installation Mode to STANDARD HARDWIRE MODE. That is two Blinks and lock it in. This is shown at the top of the Type 1, 2 & 5 module programming page. The best way to do this is to start with a Factory Reset. After Step 5, the module is Factory Reset and the LED wil start doing a "one Green Blink" pattern. Press the modules' programming button once and the LED wil start doing a "two Green Blink" pattern. At this point just press and hold the Programming button. The LED will turn solid Green for 2 seconds and then go out. Release the button. The module is now set to W2W Mode and all ready for vehicle programming.
Viper fused +12V power input wires : While you can combine them in this vehicle application, remember that the ignition plug has two +12V power input wires used to supply the vehicles ignition wires needs. One is 25 Amps and the other is 15 Amps. That means the Vipers three ignition fused 12V input wires need 40 Amps and the other Viper Red +12V input wire needs 15 amps. I think I would locate the very thick ~140 Amp +12V input wire at the vehicles fuse box and use that to supply some of the Vipers needs.
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putszieca 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 3:12 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote putszieca
now it became easy 😁😁😁
thank u so much Kreg357
i will update how it will go tomorrow
actually when i was searching info on how to do install the whole thing, i actually thought the dashed lines are not needed 😁😁😁
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
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kreg357 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 4:00 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
It's an either / or situation. W2W or D2D
The dashed lines would not be needed if you were able to use the 4 Pin Data Harness (D2D Mode) between the Viper and the ADS TB but with the ADS TB TL firmware loaded, you must go W2W.
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
Do you have the necessary diodes for the Door / Rear Hatch trigger inputs and a relay for the Clutch Bypass during a R/S?
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putszieca 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 7:11 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote putszieca
Do you have the necessary diodes for the Door / Rear Hatch trigger inputs and a relay for the Clutch Bypass during a R/S?
Oh no, wait...
no i don't have it yet?
what kind diodes do i need and relay?
and how do i wire them?
thanks you
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kreg357 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 8:04 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
As mentioned above, installing a R/S system on a manual transmission has special requirements. These extra needs are to ensure safety during a remote start. Currently, to start the engine you use a key and depress the clutch pedal. You won't be in the Matrix during a remote start to depress the clutch pedal. This requires a clutch interlock safety bypass. Running the Viper in the Manual Transmission Mode ensures that the vehicle is in Neutral when the engine is shutdown and the vehicle is exited. The Viper will lock the doors and shutdown the engine. The Viper has now entered Reservation Mode. The Viper will then monitor all access points and exit Reservation Mode if any access point is opened. This is to verify that the transmission is still in Neutral and the engine is safe to start.
To monitor all access points you must wire up the vehicles Door Trigger pins and the Rear Hatch trigger pin to the Viper. The Vipers uses these signals to enter Reservation and then to make sure there was no vehicle entry prior to a remote start. Depending on how you wire it up you could need 5 diodes for proper circuit isolation. You will need 1N4001 diodes for this. Read up on diodes and door trigger isolation. Additionally, the Vipers' Neutral Safety Input wire must be connected to the vehicles Parking Brake wire. The engagement of the Parking Brake is part of Reservation Mode. The final part is the actual Clutch Bypass. This must be wired so that that it only happens during a remote start and has no effect on normal operation. Depending on how you wire it up, a relay might be needed for the Clutch Bypass. As you can see this is a lot of extra work and extremely important to prevent vehicle damage and personal injury/death. Serious stuff and the main reason some professional installers won't do manual transmission vehicles.
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putszieca 
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Posted: January 07, 2022 at 9:25 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote putszieca
*Sorry, i duplicated my post a few times*
so, is all door gonna be hooked to the viper for monitoring purposes? if that so, how do i wire it? thanks you
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Posted: January 08, 2022 at 4:19 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
If you can locate that "All Door" trigger wire, then yes you can use that. Or you can use the four individual door pin wires to monitor the doors. If the Matrix has a rear Hatch that has a separate glass that opens and the whole hatch that opens, there will be two wires (Glass and Hatch) to monitor. These will be combined with diodes to provide the Viper with one isolated Door Pin input on the Green (-) Door Pin Input wire. This will ensure that the Viper can monitor all vehicle cabin access points during Reservation Mode (so there is no way the shift lever can be moved out of neutral).
Being as the vehicle uses standard (-) door pins, you can use a Digital Multi Meter to locate these pins and also test/verify the diode isolated input wire will provide a good signal to the Viper if any access point is opened.
1. Set the DMM to 20V DC.
2. Connect the Red test lead to +12V constant.
3. Connect the Black test lead to the suspect wire.
With the door/rear glass/rear hatch being tested closed, the DMM will read 0V. With the door/rear glass/rear hatch open, the DMM will read +12V. If you use the "All Door" wire instead of the individual door pin wires, then you will try each door to make sure the DMM goes to +12V when opened. The same test can be used once the necessary pin wires are combined using 1N4001 diodes into one wire for the Viper to use. The 1N4001's band must be towards the vehicle (away from the Viper) on each wire used. Diagram below :
Viper 4806V, iDatalink ADS-TB, 2006 Toyota Matrix -- posted image.
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