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profuse007 
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we ought to post a poll up to see who use some sort of wire tap connectors and who do not......hahahha
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scotch lock, t tap, whatever... all suck

solder, and tape with 3m 33+ tape and you will never have a problem.

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yeah its sux....but if the majority installer use them, would that still sux?
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I noticed someone had mentioned the best method of tapping into wiring was stripping the insulation off the wire, and soldering the alarm wire inline with it. What method do you guys use for that? Is there a tool out there designed for that purpose, or do you have to be patient and strip the section of wire with a utility knife (thats the method I have been using) Thanks in advance guys!
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profuse007 wrote:
yeah its sux....but if the majority installer use them, would that still sux?

I'm quitting the business RIGHT NOW if the majority of GOOD installers actually use those f-in dangerous things.  Also, just because a lot of people smoke crack, does it make it OK?  this sounds like the logic my young daughter might use on me...  What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

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NINsane18 wrote:
I noticed someone had mentioned the best method of tapping into wiring was stripping the insulation off the wire, and soldering the alarm wire inline with it. What method do you guys use for that? Is there a tool out there designed for that purpose, or do you have to be patient and strip the section of wire with a utility knife (thats the method I have been using) Thanks in advance guys!

yes, there's a tool...its called a pair of wire strippers  :)  The ones that most installers use are the self-adjusting type that allow mid-wire stripping VERY quick and clean...a good sharp set will peel back the insulation on the heavier ignition harness wires without effort, and adjust them out to strip even the thinnest wires...

Using a utility knife leads to cursing, swearing and cut fingers  What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

good luck!   b

profuse007 
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-well....not to be stressful on this subject, but....
-not to say that 3m has a patent on this and approved by UL and CSA (dont know the heck it is, but its approved...lol), so if you install it correctly with the right guage size tap then youre good to go.
-well you might object to it and say, "anyone can get a patent, but its just a lousy product"
-all in all, you have to admit its a good product. it saves a lots of times. you mentioned it urself that utilty knives sucks, so 3m is the way to go.....
-but again, i dont use this through out the whole installation.
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HamiltonAudio 
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profuse007 wrote:
-well....not to be stressful on this subject, but....
-not to say that 3m has a patent on this and approved by UL and CSA (dont know the heck it is, but its approved...lol), so if you install it correctly with the right guage size tap then youre good to go.
-well you might object to it and say, "anyone can get a patent, but its just a lousy product"
-all in all, you have to admit its a good product. it saves a lots of times. you mentioned it urself that utilty knives sucks, so 3m is the way to go.....
-but again, i dont use this through out the whole installation.

Certified - who cares?  What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

Patented - who cares?  What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

Good Product - nope!  What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

Utility Knives suck - yep! What to use when tapping into wires - Page 2 -- posted image.

Actually, if you read the entire post, I did say that utility knives suck for trying to strip back a section of wire in-line (and they do).  However, using the proper stripping tool allows you to make clean, perfect strips in-line in about 0.5 seconds.  Then having a nice hot soldering iron (I use a Weller Portasol), soldering even the larger wires takes about 1 second.  Then while the connection is still warm/hot, do the wrap-and-stretch technique with good quality electrical tape (double wrap on ignition leads) and you'll NEVER EVER have a problem.

So lets round these values up....1.5 seconds to do a good strip, then add another 1.5 seconds to solder with a hot iron.  Yep, I'll spend 3 seconds to ensure there is no mechanical fastener in ANY of my installs.  But the moral of the story is....IF YOU HAVE GOOD QUALITY, APPROPRIATE TOOLS, YOU DON'T NEED CHEAPO SCOTCH LOKS.....

<end rant>  he he

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wire taps are easiest to use and are the best choise most of the time.  when your under the dash trying to throw a line on it so easy to snap it over insert wire and close!  when your trying to strip away a wire with a knife your playing a dangerus game, you can either slip and take off to much insalation or cut through some strands of braided cable and maybe lucky to get it right, then if you solder a wire and decide to take it off then you either have to cut it and wrap it with electrical tape or desolder it and still wrap it wth electrical tape.  I can't even count how many boxes of these things I have gone through over my life.  just never use them on AC lines.  good luck!
profuse007 
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-i guess its the preference of ur own. most ppl like the nice, koo, quick, colorful, solderless, tapeless, clean invention of 3m taps, amd some just dont trust in the product.
-every installer find time as killers. if they dont experience with customer comin back with using taps, then they probably wont use it anymore...period....
Houston,TX
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