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gepeter 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 2:56 AM / IP Logged  

We are having major troubles trying to understand wiring diagrams and to get wires in there respective positions, here is the system we are having trouble with, when we connnect blue wire to the door lights the alarm goes off when you shut the door instead of going of when you open the door , weve connected the relay as per the wiring diagram and it will not kill/start the engine, diagram is as follows, yellow to alarm system, white to accsesories one, green to main ignition wire, this is as per the diagram but it still doesnt work and also we have no idea how to make our central locking work with this system, we have 2 wires from the central locking and several wires from the unit and we cant work out which ones go where, both units are giordon. The only thing that works is the shock sensor. the alarm is arming with the remote but nothing else is working. This is quite urgent can someone please help us to crack this problem.

ywdb 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 4:19 AM / IP Logged  
Hi gepeter,
This alarm system's wiring diagram as below;
12Pin plug
Orange---Door lock Use(87a)
White----Door lock Use(30)
Yellow---Door lock Use(87)
ORANGE / Black---Door Unlock Use(87a)
WHITE/ Black----Door Unlock Use(30)
Yellow/Black---Door Unlock Use(87)
Black---grand
RED / Black---Back Up Siren Use.(+12V Constant Output)
Red-----+12V Input
Pink----Connect to Siren.
Brown---Connect to Turn light(Left)
Brown---Connect to Turn light(Right)
10Pin Plug
Violet---Tach Input
Blue-----Door Trigger (-)Input
Red------Pager System Use(old model). Trunk release(New model)
White----Ignition Trigger (+)Input
Orange---Connect to Footbrake (+12V)Output line. For start doorlock use only.
Green----Connect to Hand Brake Switch.
Yellow---For Starter Kill Relay use.
Yellow,Brown,Blue---Remote Starter Relay use.
Remote Starter Relay
Yellow---Starter
Brown----Ignition1
Brown----Ignition2
Blue-----Accessory
Red------Constant +12V
Starter Kill Relay
Yellow---connect to alarm system's yellow wire.
White----connect to Ignition1
Green1---connect to Starter wire key side.(Starter wire must be cut)
Green2---connect to Starter wire moter side.
Door lock diagrams
"Negative Trigger door lock system"
Orange---No Use.
White----Connect to Vehicles unlock wire.
Yellow---Connect to Grand.
ORANGE / Black---No Use.
WHITE/ Black----Connect to Vehicles lock wire.
Yellow/Black---Connect to Grand.
"Positive Trigger door lock system"
Orange---No Use.
White----Connect to Vehicles unlock wire.
Yellow---Connect to Constant +12V.
ORANGE / Black---No Use.
WHITE/ Black----Connect to Vehicles lock wire.
Yellow/Black---Connect to Constant +12V.
"5-Wire door lock system"
Orange---Connect to Vehicles unlock wire door lock control box side.(Vehicles unlock wire must be cut)
White----Connect to Vehicles unlock wire door lock motor side.
Yellow---Connect to Constant +12V.
ORANGE / Black--- Connect to Vehicles lock wire door lock control box side.(Vehicles unlock wire must be cut)
WHITE/ Black---- Connect to Vehicles lock wire door lock motor side.
Yellow/Black---Connect to Constant +12V.
Good Luck!!
gepeter 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 4:59 AM / IP Logged  

Thanks heaps but i still have just a few more questions ignition trigger exactly where does that go.

door trigger how do i get to negative input and i have the starter kill relay set up exactly as you have stated and you can still start car do i have to connect all other wires for this to work   ign kill    tacho wire ect

ywdb 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 5:27 AM / IP Logged  
Hi again,
White----Ignition Trigger (+)Input
This wire connect to Vehicles Ignition 1 wire from key cylinder.
Door trigger---If your vehicle is Japan vehicle(TOYOTA,NISSAN,MITSUBISHI,etc), door trigger is negative. Connect to door pin switch.
If your vehicle is FORD or BMW or another, some model's vehicle door trigger is positive. Must be use Relay.
Starter Kill Relay---When system is armed, and when system is triggered(door open,Ignition key is ON,etc), this Relay can be working.
Tach wire---This wire is remote start use only. If you use remote start, must be connect.
Good luck!
gepeter 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 5:36 AM / IP Logged  
thanks again but i have just a couple more questions how would i connect a relay to door switch my car is ford and what would the connections be   also how do i determine the ignition 1 pole on ign switch is is the one right next to starter wire or is it the acc position
ywdb 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 5:54 AM / IP Logged  
Hi again,
You must use SPDT Relay. Diagram as below;
(85)pole---connect to vehicle door pin wire
(86)pole---connect to grand
(30)pole---connect to System door trigger input wire
(87)pole---connect to grand
(87a)pole--No use
Ignition switch---Some FORD car can see only Ignition,Accessory and Starter wire. So Ignition trigger wire connect to Ignition wire. Starter Kill Relay use at Starter wire.
Remote Starter Relay diagrams;
Yellow---Starter
Brown----Ignition
Brown----No use
Blue-----Accessory
Red------Constant +12V
Good luck!
gepeter 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 6:12 AM / IP Logged  

hi again my name is peter and you have been a incredible help i am a mechanic by trade although i do not practice anymore i bought this alarm and central locking kits of ebay last week and it is for my sons first car i have been trying to make it work all weekend with no success i was going to take it to an auto electician tommorow but now with your help i should be able to make it work.

On the box that the alarm system came in it said remote start but there was only one relay in box does this system have remote start or do they just put that on the box. Also in your first reply to me you mentioned 12 pin plug then some numbers wires ect do i have to connect these and if so where would they be. And where would i get one of those spdt relays would the local auto shop sell them.Or is it just a normal 12v relay.

ywdb 
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Posted: April 26, 2004 at 7:33 PM / IP Logged  
Hi again,
I'm very sorry that these "GIORDON tiger 686" alarm has two type model. The first one is no remote start model. Anoter one is remote start model. So may be you bought system is "No remote start model".
No remote start model wiring diagrams as below;
6Pin plug
Orange---Door lock Use(87a)
White----Door lock Use(30)
Yellow---Door lock Use(87)
ORANGE / Black---Door Unlock Use(87a)
WHITE/ Black----Door Unlock Use(30)
Yellow/Black---Door Unlock Use(87)
10Pin plug
Yellow---For Starter Kill Relay use.
Black---grand
Brown---Connect to Turn light(Left)
Pink----Connect to Siren.
Red-----+12V Input
Brown---Connect to Turn light(Right)
Green---No use
Orange---Connect to Footbrake (+12V)Output line. For start doorlock use only.
White----Ignition Trigger (+)Input
Blue-----Door Trigger (-)Input
SPDT Relay---May be you can buy them at local auto shop or car security shop. Please see below page;
https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp
Good luck!!
gepeter 
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Posted: April 27, 2004 at 2:04 AM / IP Logged  
Hi again as i said you have been a great help and i cant thank you enough itwas going to cost me heaps to try and have it all worked out .Now i have just one last question for you in your last reply the 6 pin plug fo central locking do the numbers next to the coulors mean that i have to use a relay .I will tell you what i have on the central locking it has its own power connected to battery and all there is left to connect to is 2 wires black and red if you touch these two wires together the doors will lock / unlock respectfully so does the diagram you supplied work for this type of system. Regards peter.
ywdb 
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Posted: April 27, 2004 at 8:01 PM / IP Logged  
Hi peter
Your vehicle is "FORD", so may be have Door locking master switch at vehicle driver side door. If vehicle have this switch, and switching this switch, can door lock or unlock all doors, then you don't need install new door lock motor.
If your vehicle don't have door locking master switch, but if you use vehicles master key turn cylinder in driver door, then can be lock or unlock another all door same time, you need install new door lock moter to drivers door.
If use vehicles master key turn cylinder in driver door, then cannot move another door lock system, must be install new door lock moter to all doors.
I don't know your vehicles model and year, but you can see your vehicles wiring diagrams information in this web site, please see below page;
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/vehicles.asp
If you need install new door lock motor, wiring diagrams as below;
6Pin plug
Orange---Connect to grand
White----Connect to door lock motor lock wire(your motors Red wire??)
Yellow---Connect to constant +12V
ORANGE / Black---Connect to grand
WHITE/ Black----Connect to door lock motor lock wire(your motors Black wire??)
Yellow/Black--- Connect to constant +12V
This alarm systems door lock/unlock relay is built-in. So you don't need buy new door lock/unlock relay.
Okey,Good Luck!!
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